Is anybody else gutted about the shooting of Jo Cox - For democracy, for her family and for the progress that women have made in society?

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I'm dumbfounded at what's happened to Joe Cox. It's so wrong on so many levels.

Conspiracies exist.

Maybe they do, but none of them are remotely interested in you.

people with critical thinking skills do exist. says the poster who also thinks that she is objecting to spreading rumours and presenting them as facts in order to gain politically

And then she says this:

*Why was she taking her kids on a dingy in the middle of a heated exchange? Irresponsible as hell, in my view. No doubt she was brainwashing her kids with her political views.

My instinct is they wouldn't have hosed them if they didn't deserve it. Given the behaviour of Geldof, I find it unlikely a fellow pro-EU ideologue wouldn't be doing the same. Her and her husband were extreme radicals.*

What a twat.

Cool I am sorry for the loss of your friend. Whatever side of the debate you're on, we can all agree that her death was appalling, that we feel for her family, and that MPs of all parties do a brave thing by putting themselves out there.

We can all agree also that she stood up for what she thought to be right, and that the UK will be a poorer place without women like her.

God there are some awful comments on this thread.

Jo Cox, was someone who worked in war zone and by the sound of it, lived and breathed the principle of crossing the political divide. Have people missed this?

This referendum campaign has been divisive. It has expanded the cracks in our society that austerity has brought. This HAS been deliberate. Its also been something that BOTH sides have indulged in, in no small part.

This must be stressed and discussed as regardless of whether Jo Cox's was indeed caused by this, because many people now believe this to be a truth due to the wider hatred in politics and the problems this is causing.

People are fed up of it. They were before this happened. There is a public mood for change, which Jo Cox's death WILL fuel.

UK politicians do need to stop shouting at each other and start listening to each other. Its part of the entire problem. So do opposing groups of their supporters. We need to find the common ground for the best interests of the country.

We do need to look at the levels of aggression and threats that directed at MPs - particularly women, because that has implications for who stands for office. Things that were picked up in a study in Jan 2016.

This incident has not happened in a bubble. I know people who have been scared in the last week, for having particular opinions. I posted about this prior to these awful thing happening.

This is not right.

Things need to change. We need to acknowledge things that have been highlighted by a death, that go way beyond the outcome on Friday.

yup agree with redtoothbrush. you put it so much better than me.

And I'm really not trying to make cheap political points. Am profoundly horrified and upset.

Was trying to get people to see beyond the talking points that this is some kind of weird loner thing

We are going to learn the facts sooner or later and I think then we will be forced to look at the depths political discourse has sunk in this country.

That's really well put, RedToothBrush.

I don't know about anyone else but I felt worse about her death today. I can't get to the vigil in Parliamdnt Square. I wish I could be there.

Was it you, RedToothBrush, who suggested doing acts of integration, activism and solidarity as tokens of appreciation for her?

I liked that idea and I've spent the day working out what I might do. Top of the list is a bit of engagement with the political and parliamentary process. Long-term, I'm thinking about voter registration.

Would we be having this conversation if he was Muslim and had shouted "Allah"?

It depends! We did for the guy who stabbed that man on the tube and it turned out he had MH issues.

Even her BF has come out and said its wrong to link her death with the leave campaign its inappropriate.

Was it you, RedToothBrush, who suggested doing acts of integration, activism and solidarity as tokens of appreciation for her?

I liked that idea and I've spent the day working out what I might do. Top of the list is a bit of engagement with the political and parliamentary process. Long-term, I'm thinking about voter registration.

Yes it was.

Wow that would be amazing!

Yup. Pretty bloody gutted. So sad.

Two children going through their first day without their mum.

(I'm a bloke and I'll be honest, I hadn't given a thought to the woman's progress aspect.)

I am a member of some very conservative forums, and had given up on trying to demonstrate why Vote Leave was misguided.

Today I decided that I'd fight on there tooth and fucking claw.

The pub bores pushing for Brexit have been allowed to whitter on so long, the feeble-minded have begun to believe their fallacious rhetoric. If more of us had challenged them earlier, the sparking point wouldn't have been on some fucking pavement and involving a sincere politician and a mother of young children.

Oh and conspiracy theories? They're a poor substitute for intelligence and a good education. "I may be so dumb my colleagues mistake me for office furniture but I'm not because I can see the truth they can't!" No. Sorry. You're just dumb.

For anyone reading this thread who is in any doubt, Mair's right-wing extremist links are being covered in the mainstream press.

That is not a left-wing fantasy. It is not a conspiracy.

Sometimes, many 'establishment' sources say the same thing because it is true.

Sometimes, the truth is just the truth.

It may seem odd that I am labouring this point. However, there has been a long, sustained attack in truth for a while.

It is interesting to read this thread and see how that attack works.

Shocking behaviour on this thread from both sides using this sad loss of life. Campaigning has officially been suspended by all sides.

This thread should be closed right now! A woman has been brutally murdered and some people (from both sides) want to use her death for political point scoring. Some people have no shame......

Its only one side I am seeing some ghastly posts from...

I agree this thread piggy backing political gain off the back of dreadful event needs to be closed.

Does illustrate though that some people have such deep belief in how good they personally are, they cannot see what they are doing.

Its only one side I am seeing some ghastly posts from

Sorry but that isn't true.

Jess Phillips has even tweeted that she has been getting hate from the hard left today.

Maybe everyone should just stop it!

Shocking behaviour on this thread from both sides using this sad loss of life. Campaigning has officially been suspended by all sides.

I agree.

As Cool says. Everyone should just stop it.

Yeah, what Jo Cox, prominent campaigner for Britain to remain in Europe and assassinated by someone with proven extreme right connections, would have wanted is for everyone just to allow the decisive bigotry-based Brexit rhetoric to go on unchallenged.

Not today, thanks.

Yeah, what Jo Cox, prominent campaigner for Britain to remain in Europe and assassinated by someone with proven extreme right connections, would have wanted is for everyone just to allow the decisive bigotry-based Brexit rhetoric to go on unchallenged.

Stop with the stereotyping of everyone that may be wanting to vote leave.

Stop using Jo's murder to make political point scoring.

Just for one day.

Please.

Stepping away from this thread now.

Some need to take a good look in the mirror!

A woman is dead there is no need to speculate its disgusting.
My condolences to her family, that is all there is too say

SoThisIsSummer why do you think its acceptable to suggest that this murder was a conspiracy but there is not a genuine public debate to be had about the safety of MPs and campaigners and the possibility that the political climate has contributed to this?

Honestly as someone who knows people who have been scared for their safety this week, why can't we talk about this, in the context of someone actually getting hurt?

Why is one ok and one not?

As you rightly point out, campaigning isn't on today, but it is going to start again in the next few days. People are worried. This is a legitimate concern given what has been talked about in the press.

We need to talk about this, and try and encourage people to react calmly rather than accusing them of capitalising on anything.

I dislike this 'both sides' nonsense. I'm deliberately not mentioning whether I am 'remain' or 'leave' because I think the problem is larger than the Referendum (though has been amplified it.

The recent Mayoral campaign was poisonous.

The mainstreaming of hate, the poisoning of the political mainstream, the attacking of experts, truth, and 'elites' (a fuzzy hate group); the attack tendency of social media; woman-hating - all these things are terrible and lessen our lives. And they are dangerous.