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#2 Anyone feeling worried now?

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nearlyhellokitty · 14/06/2016 10:28

Link to the previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2656228-Anyone-else-really-worried-now

Seems like it was a useful threat started by MrsBlackthorn and it hit the big 1000 so I took the liberty to restart it!

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My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

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UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 15/06/2016 09:18

FarAwayHills, that is an excellent post, and pretty much sums up the way I feel about the whole thing.

I would be shocked to find I agree with the likes of Nigel Farage and Nick Griffin about anything - least of all something so politically and economically huge. And you can add Putin to your Leave List, I believe, because he will rejoice at a weaker Europe.

I'm very scared.I'm furious that we, the electorate, have been put in this position - one poster wrote an excellent post on the last thread summing up why referenda are a very bad idea, and she was totally right. We elect a government to work this shit out for us.

Roonerspism · 15/06/2016 09:19

ohdog that's the issue though - I think people feel backed into a corner on Brexit. They have tried to state for years their concerns.

It's ok if you are rich as you can buy the services you need.

Everyone thought it was the right wingers who would want to leave.

But it's the utterly pissed off left!

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 09:21

Capital Economics are part of the pro Brexit Economics group.

I was just responding to your thing about economists 'paid to get it wrong' and then you post a link to a report where an economics firm has been paid to deliver it.

I can't see the telegraph article because of the paywall..

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alreadytaken · 15/06/2016 09:32

nearlyhellokitty your argument seems to be that if someone is eurosceptic you can not listen to any of their arguments. Perhaps you should actually try reading what they say and see if it makes sense to you? Yes Woodford does a lot of business outside the EU and that is growing because emerging markets are becoming more important.

I could see the telegraph article and I'm not a subscriber. However I'll quote the ft for you

"Are the Treasury’s methods convincing?

No. There appears to be a lot of reverse engineering going on. Politics required lost jobs, a recession and lower house prices and officials chose methods that delivered that outcome — just.

All parts of the analysis are open to criticism and the Treasury’s reluctance to talk about margins of error or what are the real driving forces behind the results speaks volumes.

Dave Ramsden, chief economist at the Treasury and lead official on this report, has recently written about how the independent Office for Budget Responsibility “has ended the perception of bias associated with the forecasts that were previously produced by the Treasury”. This report will not escape a perception of bias."

Or you could read the independent www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/just-how-credible-is-the-treasurys-brexit-forecast-a6989096.html

Since much of project fear's arguments are based on claims from economists it is necessary to point out first that some are frequently wrong and secondly that some people who actually make a considerable income from getting it right think differently. But look at WHY they think differently.

AnnPerkins · 15/06/2016 09:35

I don't have a problem so much with many of the Brexit arguments, but the underlying tones and language increasingly bother me hugely. Ohdogoaway I have no idea how I would feel in your shoes other than afraid.

I'm with you, RedToothbrush and Ohdogoaway. The massive 'We Want Our Country Back' signs I'm seeing in towns and countryside on my daily schoolrun/commute have a sinister tone to me. It's the kind of slogan skinheads and avowed racists have been chanting for decades and has been given legitimacy by the Leave campaign's rhetoric.

In the event of a Leave victory I think we could be in for some ugly scenes. I can't believe the far-right aren't making plans to capitalise on a perceived change in public opinion.

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 09:51

No already not true - I was pointing to this because you linked to it as a balanced report, when it's published by someone with a clear political agenda. And pointed out the irony when you were saying economists 'paid to be wrong'.

I can't see the telegraph article because I've opened too many telegraph articles recently - while reading different opinions to my own!

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 09:56

to be clear, economists' issues with brexit or concerns are not just linked to the treasury report which certainly has flaws.

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MrsBlackthorn · 15/06/2016 10:52

I can't believe the far-right aren't making plans to capitalise on a perceived change in public opinion.

The BNP announced they'll be working hard to get out the Leave vote.

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 11:15

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36372125

Reality check as to whether Brexit could lead to a loss of £20bn to £40bn from the public finances, extending austerity by a further two years.

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AnnPerkins · 15/06/2016 11:21

I can't believe the far-right aren't making plans to capitalise on a perceived change in public opinion.

The BNP announced they'll be working hard to get out the Leave vote.

And what have they got planned for afterwards in the event they are successful?

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2016 11:32

In the event of a Leave victory I think we could be in for some ugly scenes. I can't believe the far-right aren't making plans to capitalise on a perceived change in public opinion.

I would not rule this out in the event of a close Remain Vote.

AnnPerkins · 15/06/2016 12:09

Nor I RedToothBrush.

Those signs, though Sad. And interestingly I haven't seen a single Remain sign. It gives the lie to the supposition of Shy Brexiters, around these parts at least.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2016 12:16

I know Remainers who are too afraid to have signs up Ann.

Our area is regarded as solid Brexit turf.

BreakingDad77 · 15/06/2016 14:59

And what have they got planned for afterwards in the event they are successful?

They out spreading the word - i know its metro who are terrrible news outlet.
metro.co.uk/2016/06/05/neo-nazis-and-far-right-extremists-are-hijacking-vote-leave-5924885/
So sad seeing that swastika emblazoned on her chest.

They obviously want out and a move to WTO rules so that anyone foreign has to get a visa etc. They will fight hard to get this message across that if UK get free trade/movement deal then 'we woz lied to'

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Just5minswithDacre · 15/06/2016 18:27

How did we get to swastikas!? Who are 'they'?

(It's hard to skim read on the app.)

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 15/06/2016 18:41

Mmm. Far right campaigners for the Leave campaign, with Swastika tattoos. I'm sure she's a lovely person Confused

"Andrew Edge went to the Krays’ graves to show off his support for Brexit" Confused The Krays aren't getting into the Top Ten Britons anytime soon, are they?

Just5minswithDacre · 15/06/2016 18:48

Oh I see. Well either way, the loony fringes would have to clone hemselves fairly extensively to have much impact.

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 19:56

Well some are being funded by putin to disrupt the EU.

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Lilmisskittykat · 15/06/2016 20:40

I don't know why you are all panicking.. All you read here is people are voting remain and slamming the racists voting out... So going off the voting here where's the panic really ??

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 20:55

have you seen the polls fellow kitty - leave is currently winning

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Fettuccinecarbonara · 15/06/2016 21:00

Other EU countries are now pushing for a UK style referendum, so it seems like leave will win whether we remain or not. The EU isn't going to be the EU as we know it.

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nearlyhellokitty · 15/06/2016 21:45

fettucini if we leave there could definitely be more referenda, if remain wins, more in the balance I'd have said. Also France for the time being unlikely to grant that kind of referendum.

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shinytorch2 · 15/06/2016 21:52

Agree that the Eu will be different in the future. Leave and remain are a leap into the dark - it's why democracy and being captain of our ship is my reason for voting to leave. I believe we will be able to react more nimbly to world events with our friends and partners around the world in the interests of the Britidh people rather than the EU to do it on our behalf as one of 28 states soon to increase to 34 or do