Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

To say there is an immigration problem does not mean racist. It never has.

To keep badgering people by saying this shows that there is a complete lack of knowledge on how staying in the eu affects us .

Our business gets a couple million pounds worth of consultancy so that we can steer standards and policy across the rest of the EU.

(while rolling eyes) But ya know - in the UK we don't get any money out of the EU and its all one way .......

' I suppose the whole world is a stage after all.'

And each of us has to play a part and cast a vote. Cameron only has one vote, the same as each of us. This is our chance to play a part in history and make our voice heard.

jelliedeels
"To say there is an immigration problem does not mean racist. It never has."

I agree - it certainly doesn't have to. It sometimes does (ie some people will use that as a cover for covert racism) but it certainly doesn't have to. Anyone who suggests it is immediately isn't engaging with other people's views. Unfortunately, there is a lot of that.

However, I don't believe we have an immigration problem.

Slight tangent, the referendum taking place whilst 100,000 people are at Glastonbury is going to be a problem, isn't it? How many are likely to have organised postal/proxy votes?

"This is our chance to play a part in history and make our voice heard."

How exciting instead to spend that time taking the piss out of posters on mumsnet from a position of smug contempt instead!

Mumsnet is at least 68% smug contempt

Hope you can back up that fact glassgarden.

Don't worry - there will be somebody along any second with a counter figure, from a different survey, done two years later, answering a different question that shows your figures are wrong. After all, that is how the campaigns have been doing it.

Yep, its not nice is it guys. In one fell swoop Ive placed the remain camp in the 'exploit the vulnerable' box. Its about time, as yes, David Cameron called me a 'little englander' Yes this thread has called me racist and yes even Martin Lewis calls me poor and uneducated.

To claim we dont know the future is also wrong. Yes we do. Its exaclty more of the same, in the trajectory we are currently going. We are currently in the EU. Hows that working out for you? To claim the 'unknown' impact on GDP (which is dictated by individual trade contracts that will continue to exist post referendum) as a reason to remain is simply further scaremongering.

Of course we can model ourselves on China, mass produce at the cheapest possible costs ever and live with the reputation and consequences of doing so. Personally, I used to take pride in the standards we previously maintained as a nation, in the service industry, diplomacy, health, education, manufacturing and science. The whole EU model is based on depressed cheap labour, aka, China. Thats it. Its about the movement of labour as easily and cheaply as possible and its an utter misdirection if you think higher GDP goes straight into our nations infrastructure. It doesnt. But agree to disagree we will.

"How exciting instead to spend that time taking the piss out of posters on mumsnet from a position of smug contempt instead!"

How you choose to spend your time on mumsnet is your business. All I am saying is vote as well.

Ha ha well played Claig😜

Do any of the people supporting Leave on here really think that working conditions for the poorly paid will improve in this country if we are no longer members of the EU? Mmm, this current administration has good form on that.

I love the idea, too, that post the referendum we can vote Cameron out. The majority of people who want to leave voted him in last time, not just because of the referendum but because the whole sorry Let's Make Britain Great Again campaign (which is a horrifying echo of Trump's empty sloganeering in the US) is based on appealing to a reactionary world view.

To claim we dont know the future is also wrong. Yes we do. Its exaclty more of the same, in the trajectory we are currently going. We are currently in the EU. Hows that working out for you? To claim the 'unknown' impact on GDP (which is dictated by individual trade contracts that will continue to exist post referendum) as a reason to remain is simply further scaremongering

Great, glad to hear it? What's GDP in 10 years under both scenarios?

Are you confident that no longer being in the single market will not affect any business's exports to EU countries? Great, can you show me the evidence? Since you're so confident, I'm sure you'll be willing to make up lost revenue for any company that sees their business move elsewhere, or buy groceries for anyone who loses their job as a result of Brexit - as even Michael Gove admits they will? If nothing will change, why will we need a future trade deal with the EU - or anyone else for that matter?

Pretending that no business will lose out from Brexit undermines your entire position and does a massive disservice to the people who will suffer the consequences in their pay packets, or lack thereof.

My answer to workers rights is don't vote conservative. So you have a crystal ball to confirm the EU isn't going to move further to the right?

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How you choose to spend your time on mumsnet is your business. All I am saying is vote as well."

Didn't this used to be "I know you are, but what am I?" when we were at school?

can't believe the people on here attacking the OP for worrying about her job security. Plenty of idiots planning to vote leave who'll be picking up P45s in 18 months' time wishing they'd understood what they were doing when they went into the ballot box.
Any leave campaigner who doesn't acknowledge the short to medium term economic agony that will be caused by exit is either dishonest, stupid or terminally frivolous. I'm open to arguments that invite me to believe the short term pain will be worth it either for reasons of principle (sovereignty) or for the long term benefits (EU moribund, better get out now before it implodes and exit gets a whole lot harder). Trouble is no-one on the leave side is serious-minded enough to actually make either case. as for management of the short term political and economic issues, "we'll sort it out when we get there" is all it amounts to. They are children who have been given too much power and airtime.

On a lighter note, the BBC has a referendum story about the pros and cons for fish and chip shops today.

It's called Batter in or out?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36464686

Any leave campaigner who doesn't acknowledge the short to medium term economic agony that will be caused by exit is either dishonest, stupid or terminally frivolous

Or they just think differently from you.

I am a serious and successful business person but I have voted Leave.

I don't foresee economic agony. I think the EU project was well-intentioned but wrongheaded and I think it has failed.

To you, I seem stupid and frivolous. To me, you seem hysterical and deranged.

I see someone who believes they, their IQ and thoughts are superior.

They are children who have been given too much power and airtime.

You don't seem to like democracy do you? Name calling because people don't agree with you.

People think different to you. It doesn't make them dishonest or childish.

Stupid statement to make

milly on what basis do you think there won't be economic agony? Even in the very short term? I say this because there could be a debate as to whether short term impacts are worth other longer term goals. And how long the impacts will endure. But I honestly don't understand how you think there won't be any economic pain? Maybe not in your specific corner, but wider?

This makes me think that you believe that insecurity has no impact on the economy? And again there certainly will be insecurity as there is no status quo after we leave and for sure there is an absolute minimum of 2 years of trade negotiations awaiting us, far more likely 5 to 10. While in the meantime no clarity on exports. Even trade agreements outside the EU will be affected.

I'm obviously concerned about my personal situation as a migrant, since brexit would mean spending a lot of time dealing with French bureaucracy either for visas/residents' cards or for a naturalisation procedure. We've already started to put our house in order by sorting out dual nationality for our children, who will be starting higher education in a few years and whose access to universities in the EU might be compromised without an EU passport.

Work is a concern too, although my own job shouldn't change too much as much of my work is focussed outside the EU. But my employer would most likely need to move its largest UK manufacturing plant to the EU if the UK was no longer in the EEA.

Then the issue is your employer that doesn't value their employees long term.

Milly
"I don't foresee economic agony. "

That is an interesting point of view. There is already a reduction in both investment and FDI being experienced at a company level (only anecdotal evidence so far, but that is because the surveys are a little off the pace normally). So we are already seeing impacts just from the THREAT of leaving - let alone actually leaving.

A decision to break our trading agreements, re-set our economy, create turmoil in employment markets, and all without a clearly defined medium to long term plan. But you don't foresee any short term pain from that? I would be interested to understand why that is.

yourperception so someone says that it would be less attractive for a manufacturing plant to stay in the UK if we leave the EU because of a lack of access to markets and your response is that this is because they don't value their employees? quite a contortion.