Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

Anna - they have currently met one chapter out of 35....if and it's a big if... there were to progress that would take 20 or 30 years.

Don't know why you mention the Parliament. It's the EU Member States in the Council that would decide and who each have a veto. Ie the UK, Greece and Cyprus etcetc. You think Cyprus will be lenient on Turkey?

Springing on full paranoia above...

EU migration into the UK is in fact more or less the same as UK migration into the EU wg

And the population density of the UK versus the rest of the EU put together is?

And the kand mass of the Uk versus the rest of the EU put together is?

And the Uk is the only free at the point of delivery NHS that can be accessed by anyone living in the Uk whereas these Uk ex-pats are accessing basic socially provided healthcare and must pay for more complex care.

And the UK provides a level of benefits that can only be dreamt of in some otherEU countries.

In short - there is no parity between the member countries of the EU and without that parity there is instability as people rush to avail themselves of the best deal possible wherever that exists.

Just like the Eurozone failure the free movement of people s also a catastrophic failure.

Springing on full paranoia above...

In the absence of any coherent or compelling argument to Remain just keep playing the poster.

Pathetic that Remainers have so many issues dealing with inconvenient truths.

Rooney I agree the EU response to the refugee crisis has been horrific. But ... the commission for example has really tried hard to get resettlement deals amongst the MS but the MS have failed to do anything about it. This is a typicsl scenario whuch shows in fact the limits of the Commissions power. Although there's several EU initiatives now in the Med to help pick up refugees etc

I'm a graduate, my DC's came shopping with me yesterday and there was a group from the remain and the exit campaigns in town. We all stood and talked to both parties and I have to say I was gobsmacked surprised at how informed my DD's were.
We are the squeezed middle earners which is really frustrating after studying for years to improve our careers, and actually worse off than before. We will be voting out !

Wait a minut springing - I say paranoia because you frequently post complete untruths about how things work. You might have missed it but a few hours ago I posted something with facts in it and got immediately attacked by leave

Meanwhile if been accused of being lime lord haw haw and separately bring paid for my opinions ... srlsly

Sorry dam phone. Like lord haw haw eg

Anna - they have currently met one chapter out of 35....if and it's a big if... there were to progress that would take 20 or 30 years.

You still believe that tripe. Shove Goldman Sachs on the case and Turkey will qualify by the end of the month.

While you are still trying to play nicely Turkey is threatening the EU

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/12151701/Turkey-threatens-to-open-the-gates-and-send-refugees-to-Europe.html

You think Cyprus will be lenient on Turkey?

Yes. Because Cyprus has already signed up to the proposed visa-free travel within Schengen for Turkey. Why would it do that unless it had been lent on. Do not think for one moment that Cyprus could veto Turkey's membership. Cyprus surrendered its currency to the ECB - it's in the Eurozone. It needs bailouts. It will comply.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/03/european-commission-turkish-citizens-visa-free-travel-schengen

Wait a minut springing - I say paranoia because you frequently post complete untruths about how things work.

No, I post things you disagree with. You then attempt to rubbish them by calling them into question because they are inconvenient triuhs.

You might have missed it but a few hours ago I posted something with facts in it and got immediately attacked by leave

I wasn't even on here a few hours ago. i was doing something else, more enjoyable. When you attack, you must expect to be attacked. I don't attack unless provoked by people who accuse me of paranoia and untruths - because I disagree with them.

Kitty, if Turkey arent going to join, why is there a team dedicated to their accession in the British Embassy?

It is being played down at the moment because it is hugely unpopular with the electorate. I'd put money on Turkey's accession some time soon.

I'm sorry springing I said paranoid because what you've posted above is, eg the aside on gOldman Sachs - it's not going to happen in the way you say. It really isn't. And I say that from long experience with these issues. Maybe maybe in 20 years time but a lot of water will be under the bridge by then.

And Cyprus signing up to visas is in no way comparable to allowing turkey membership.

We are the squeezed middle earners which is really frustrating after studying for years to improve our careers, and actually worse off than before. We will be voting out

Well done. In return, according to Lord Rose, leader of the IN campaign, we can expect higher wages and according to the Chancellor, we can expect lower house prices, which will be excellent news for our children.

Ooops - I think Lord Rose resigned (sacked?) as IN campaign leader as he was making the prospect seem too attractive.

Accession is in effect a long process or acquiring EU legislation. The UK amongst others believes it's worthwhile that turkey starts bringing in EU legislation - the idea is that it's about good legal practice, including protections for rights, environment etc. The UK is in favour of this for several reasons - they are in favour of better governance in Turkey and in making it an easier place to do business with. And at the same time a stable turkey is of massive importance given the chaos in that area. It's an extremely long term project with no end in sight.

I'm sorry springing I said paranoid because what you've posted above is, eg the aside on gOldman Sachs - it's not going to happen in the way you say. It really isn't. And I say that from long experience with these issues.

So we must believe Maybe maybe in 20 years time but a lot of water will be under the bridge by then. Mumsnet poster nearlyhellokitty and ignore all the evidence before us including the Embassy letters that were leaked today?

No. I too have long experience in these issues and I have formed by own opinions.

And Cyprus signing up to visas is in no way comparable to allowing turkey membership.

Yes it is. It is very comparable. It shows that a country that people perceived to be very hostile to Turkey will comply with the wishes of the other 27 EU member countries when they are put under pressure by Turkey's threat to 'flood' Greece with migrants.

And if they ever refused to comply they'd find their supply of Euros dried up overnight. That;s what happens when you surrender control of your sovereignty to a foreign power - the EU superstate, That's why I ma OUT

If you put money on it you'll might as wel flush it down the toilet. I mean erdogan recently compared Merkel to Hitler!

Springing - I'm sorry. It's just incorrect. For a start administratively there's years and years of work rmto be done on the community acquis

It's an extremely long term project with no end in sight.

No, your explanations of why Turkey is wanted as an EU member may be the official line but the reality is different.

The UK does not want to be part of a deeper, more politically united Europe - hence Cameron's psuedo Special Deal supposedly giving us some opt outs. But before Cameron was forced to admit this the UK strategy was to attempt to weaken the EU by increasing it constantly by admitting new member countries , so it spent more time dealing with the accession of those new member countries and than it spent on deeping political union.

And that's why we supported Turkey's membership and now that plan has backfired because we now have a Syrian war creating a Turkish migrant crisis and sudden;y everything is possible. in the middle of UK EU referendum.

Even the EU's own Enlargement Commissioner has admitted that the accession of Bulgaria and Romania was fudged. The EU is a master at fudging issues. It will fudge the entry of Turkey too.

www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/interview/fule-bulgaria-and-romania-s-accession-questioned-the-credibility-of-eu-enlargement/

And if you're right and it is delayed for 20 years, do you really think our NHS will be capable of providing health care to any of the 65 million Turks who would be free to travel here and use it? Because I don't. If you value our services you should protect them. You cannot have an NHS open to 508million EU citizens - it will soon collapse.

Springing - I'm sorry. It's just incorrect. For a start administratively there's years and years of work rmto be done on the community acquis

I can see Erdogan telling the EU to shove their community acquis where the sun don't shine. When you have millions of migrants ready to flood the EU with you are in control, despite what the 'Eu fequently-fudged rules' say.

You can see that but doesn't mean you're right

"In which case, we can pull up our drawbridge and live in our isolated world, letting in one at a time only those we have handpicked who can do something that we can't do ourselves."

The same as the other non-EU countries around the world? Being able to control your own borders is normal. We'd no longer have to prioritise EU migrants above those from all the other continents. It doesn't mean we'd be "isolated" as we'd be free to deal with the rest of the world on our own terms, rather than through a veil of EU restraints.