Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

enthusiasm and he's stated he'd like to reduce the social chapter..

It's just hasn't for so many people got better why ? I though the EU is there for is all

Its a huge business deal Enthusiasm, that benefits large corporations and business and the wealthy who can afford to make use of cheap nannies, builders etc.

The little people at the bottom don't matter, they are merely collateral damage. This is what we have seen. They have been demonized and called Lazy, wont take jobs etc.

At least they may have a chance at getting a job in the first place. How many jobs are going to foreign born workers?

Alot of those migrants will be in skilled jobs (IT, NHS etc). They are a benefit to this country. The UK needs to remain, a skilled competitive workforce in order to compete in a globalised world.

Once respectable middle class professions such as teaching has become stressful due to government meddling and it is difficult to recruit British staff.

At the bottom of the ladder - low paid jobs will remain low paid whether done by Brits or foreigners. These people are being exploited under the neo liberal system. In some areas it will be difficult to pay bills/housing - the working poor.

the trade unions had the country on its knees by the end of the 70's and lost a lot of support things had to change but agree they have been strangled

So how did labour exactly change all these polices regarding social housing and how did they improve things

Poll Tax was a thatcher policy she would not back down on thankfully lead to her fall

Labour were in power for a long time they could have made changes to some Tory policies but didn't want to

I can't blame the Tories for every policy that is bad for the country

With 3 million jobs set to be lost if we Brexit, that's unlikely.

"At the bottom of the ladder - low paid jobs will remain low paid whether done by Brits or foreigners."

Increasingly they'll be done by computers and robots. The idea that leaving will magic up millions of new, well-paid jobs for low-skilled Brits is fanciful.

At least they may have a chance at getting a job in the first place. How many jobs are going to foreign born workers?

How many jobs are created by the near 50% of our foreign investment that comes from Europe and increased economic activity created by immigrants? How many extra public services are subsidised by the EU immigrants who as a group are net contributors?

At the bottom of the ladder - low paid jobs will remain low paid whether done by Brits or foreigners at least they will have more chance of getting a job,

A job is a job is a job. It matter very much if someone with few skills can get a job and earn something.

We have the whole world to pull on for other skilled jobs to choose as we need them.
A Long Labour tenure saw the gap between rich and poor increase, Enthusiasm. It was these conditions that set the ground for the food banks we are seeing today. What a perfect storm of catastrophe, credit crunch, a few years after the country saw un pretended numbers of immigrants from very poor countries.

I wonder if a lack of concern stems from the fact it is low skilled workers who have been trounced? Imagine if Judges, consultants, accountants faced fierce competition. I bet the situation would be much different.

Give me the other figures Jassey, if you can, the extra social services in put, many people needed huge support, unaccompanied children, police involvement, rise of drink drivers on the road, and other social issues that have been part and parcel of this immigration wave....

The people at the bottom, the ones who have been royally shat on, the ones who FRANK FIELD speaks out for, don't care about the over all net contribution these millions of immigrants have made.

They need a job, they need money and they need food on the table.

David cameron said today " someone could arrive in the country and immediately access 10 grands worth of benefits"

at least they will have more chance of getting a job,

Not necessarily. How many jobs disappeared during the last recession?

wow really Mother? They have millions of judges, and accountants competing for jobs? Never heard about that!

Jassay I think its one of those things you know about or you dont.

People who have left school with no education and few exams, make money from odd jobs, plate washers, builders, painters and so on.

I cant explain further its obviously not something some posters care about, they are alright jack, and worried about loosing well paid jobs, they dont care about the people who have had nothing.

will never forget a post from a lady who worked for charity - small charity supporting the very poor, she said they were always struggling but literally overwhelmed when we had the waves of mass migration from the poorer countries.

For many being unemployed getting full benefits isn't that much different to the money they have in their pocket to being employed

What an utterly ridiculous situation for a wealthy country to be in and it is the lowest paid workers that have been kept in this position because there is others to take their jobs

Here you go, Roses.

Complex picture but there is a good evidence base on both individual contribution and impact on GDP.

A job is a job is a job. It matter very much if someone with few skills can get a job and earn something.

Not if work doesn't pay. Its been a race to the bottom on wages for years. Add ZHC to the mix. A minimum wage job were I live wouldn't pay the rent on a garden shed. The Tory Brexit gang are showing faux concern for the working poor/unemployed.

I cant explain further its obviously not something some posters care about, they are alright jack, and worried about loosing well paid jobs, they dont care about the people who have had nothing

You assume wrong. I care a lot, and I truly believe the poorest would be worse off in the short and medium term under Brexit, based on the evidence available.

If the economy goes down the toilet, I have the ability to get myself and my family out of it. The poorer people in Britain don't. Like my voting behaviour in general elections (I do not give my vote to parties who would benefit me the most financially), my vote in the referendum will be based on what I think is best for those who need stable government and a stable economy the most.

In Scotland, many people feel politically betrayed by the system. They want Independence from Westminster and membership of the EU.

In England, many people feel politically betrayed by the system. They want Independence from the EU and membership of nothing.

So, who's right? The Scottish nationalists who think Westminster is the problem, or the English nationalists who think the EU is the problem? Or, perhaps, neither of them are right and the problem is our current Western political and economic philosophy.

Leaving the EU will be make or break for the UK. If the economy goes bad, the Scottish nationalists will win the argument. "See, we were right. The problem really is Westminster." The Tories are cheerleaders for the current Western economic system, and so it will be impossible to argue the Better Together position if the economy suffers in the medium term. The UK will probably fall apart and, with Labour being so completely hopeless, England will be left with a Tory party in its truest, most undiluted form.

The question I'd ask English Leave voters is this: are you absolutely sure its just the EU that's the problem here, and not British politics as well? If the whole system is flawed, a vote for Leave is not going to fix it - in fact, it's a vote for even more of what's already going wrong.

But I don't understand Jassey how you can say that after frank field has spoken out. Do you think he is talking rubbish then? Maybe you dont think he has any idea of what he is talking about?

Scanned your link cant see mention of the services I mentioned, ie police call outs due to violence, court and extra legal works, interpreters, social service involvement, foster careers etc...AND as far as I am aware, giving your nationality is not a requirement when police are dragging you into their vehicle whilst arresting you, so I wonder how accurate those figures would be,...Id like to see some freedom of info on warrants though.

If the economy goes down the toilet, I have the ability to get myself and my family out of it. The poorer people in Britain don'

yes I do get the impression some posters have no idea what its like to be simply stuck at the bottom.

You see the ecconomy did go down the loo, and the poor were not able to get themselves out, so Blair allowed poor of other countries to come here.

Do you understand it affects even the smallest things like - charity shops, the reduced food section? The competition even for areas like that?

Or do you think poor people from elsewhere behave differently and have different needs?

Before you make that vote Jassy in that case get yourself into some cut of deprived areas like Birkenhead, go and live like them for a while and you will get it. Then I would be interested in seeing where your vote goes.

It's poorer people in places like Birkenhead who could be hardest hit by Brexit - unemployment, falling tax take meaning less money for benefits or investment.