Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

Immigration is not the sole reason for in or out.

The majority of people with degrees or higher were voting remain
Presumably these are also people with higher incomes, more assets
No surprise that those who are doing well out of the current set up want to keep the status quo

Yes, I'm worried. Still haven't heard a coherent plan on the event of brexit. Years of uncertainty and Tory in-fighting and flakey economy.

Glass - you read my mind. Probably the same people that spend £2k on a weekend trip!

Over the last 30 years the poor have been hit by globalisation taking their jobs overseas (not specifically the EU). Add to that Tory austerity. Brexit will change nothing - we'll still have deprived areas, austerity, globalisation and a Tory government.

It is a bit naive to assume that everyone with a degree is in a higher earning job, with more assets.

So on evidence of all the facts available to us so far I've gathered

If we stay, nothing really will change and everything will still be really shit

If we leave, nothing will really change and everything will still be really shit

And chance of a pre referendum referendum asking for a third option?

Honey no, no one can guarantee status quo if we stay, the EU is a morphing growing beast!

I know a huge range of people who want to vote leave and who want to remain, both sides have degrees and higher and some are voting both ways for shallow reasons.

It is a bit naive to assume that everyone with a degree is in a higher earning job, with more assets

of course Alisvolatpropiis clearly you didn't fully grasp my point, an educated person with a good grasp of statistics and probabilities would appreciate that I am talking in a general sense.

Broadly speaking....on average, there is a positive correlation between wealth and educational attainment.

Obviously not a 100% correlation....it wont apply for every individual but none the less a strong correlation at a population level.

I hope that helps you to understand Alisvolatpropiis

Maybe you could do a diagram? Please use the bright crayons.

Honey

Honey. The third option is of course Shake it all about.

This is an interesting EU debate

Roses thats an incredibly unpleasant post. To be honest the only threats of violence ive seen have come from leave: check out this delightful crowd: twitter.com/tweeting_keith/status/740642225441361920

Honey - one thing is true. If we leave there will definitely be uncertainty. The question is for how long. If you want to leave you probably think it's a blip that will be solved by our British dynamism. If you're pro remain you probably are listening to the WTO et Al who say it'll take years to sort out and be very damaging.

all the pensioners I know want to leave, what I hear in the media suggests that this is the mood among older people on average (?)
I think the older you are the greater the chance you will vote (?)

vague and anecdotal I know but it leads me to think brexit will win

Some brilliant posts on here. Just on a couple of points, firstly tourism. I think youll find that a massive impact on current travel bookings is the advice given by the foreign office. 40 Countries are on their high risk destination warning list. 40! Countries from France, Belgium, Corsica etc not to mention Egypt Turkey etc . The UK is currently risk classed as 'severe' for heavens sake by MI5.

If the remain camp are attempting to pin a decline on travel bookings due to a referendum and risk of future visa requirement, thats utterly ludicrous. People arent travelling bcause theres a genuine fear and risk of being blown up and the UK is included in that pot! Until we can show the world that we know exactly who is in our country or out of it, tourism will only ever continue to decline. Tourists are indeed voting with their feet, so to ignore the clearly obvious reason for that is reckless.

Secondly back to business, absolutely agree that yes, those who are comfortable under the current arrangements, do indeed appear to be pro remain. Property values? Second homes? BTL landlord? or perhaps higher value earnings? Who knows. But when a thread starts up expressing palpable fear at the thought of losing an income, you have to wonder if its £100k pa worth of fear, or £16k pa? Those I know earning under £25k really arent terrified of possible job losses (there are plenty more zero hour contracts out there) indeed tax credits provide the buffer. It does strike me that the fear of Brexit really is rattling the cages of the very comfortable. Oh dear.

I've thought about this for a while; to begin with, I was just angry about being put in this position because this is what we vote for, isn't it: someone to represent our best interests who know what they are doing.

Once I'd realised that we've been held out to dry, I started to get less angry and over time have a think about what's good for me and my children. I've come to the conclusion that: for me & my kids - we cannot compete in the european market because despite being very intelligent and having numerous A*,there is no fluent second language spoken, therefore, anyone from the eu who is similarly bright can take my son/daughters job beause they have the added advantage of speaking english. (And possibly an additional language). Plus, those who are not so bright, but can still speak english, will have an advantage and can come to england and take the lower jobs.

Much as I'm disgusted at having to make the decision because surely that was one of the reasons why we elect our mps for, I am left not believing or understanding a word that's been said for in or out.
Left with nothing realistic to base my decision on, just what's been said or not been said in the media, propaganda leaflets etc. by default I am left with no real facts~;which is why I've made my own decision, selfish maybe, but it has to be to leave the EU. Our children are not ready to compete. Think about the realism xx

I'm one of those. Thought I wouldn't bother voting. Not because I couldn't be bothered but because I didn't have enough information / facts to base a decision on. Really sad when you think that the elected government have placed this in our hands without all the data. Now I'm making my own mind up based on the immediate generation

Well, a friend asked me on Facebook which way I was voting (in for me). I told her and I've woken up to a long post from my 'D'F about how stupid and uninformed I am. Fairly typical behaviour but rather humiliating!

Dihannah if you're thinking about your children and competing you need to vote to remain - leave will trigger a recession and mess up the jobs market for several years. Some people believe that's worth it in order to have full sovereignty.

Leave will not trigger a recession. The signs of a recession are already here.

My previous comment,as I'm sure most of you were aware was flippant .... Ultimately tensions are high because of all the scaremongering (both campaigns), lack of proper engagement between debating factions (both sides) and outright refusal to answer pertinent questions (both sides).

Statistics are being presented and debunked constantly.

In or out, this country has some tough times ahead.

Why do think it won't trigger a recession honey? If the signs of recession are already there than leave will then deepn and accelerate it.Asset flight already starting, profound instability for certainly 2 years probably minimum 5.

By the way there are facts, data and everything around. If anything there's too much so it becomes confusing.

Also dihannah if it's about the kids leaving will cut their opportunities if anything - kill the erasmus scheme. Make it more difficult to travel and ge twork in europe. And believe me you can only be fluent in English to do that