Latest immigration stats released & they are gigantic again

[BritBrit]

The final immigration stats from the ONS before the EU referendum have been released with immigration for 2015 at 630,000.

-630,000 immigrants came to the UK
-Net immigration was 333,000 up 20,000
-EU immigration was 270,000
-Romanian & Bulgarian immigration tripled in 2015
-42% of EU immigrants did not have a job when coming to the UK
-EU immigrants took more new British jobs (224,000) than British workers (185,000)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/may2016

Look don't fuel. As someone recently said in regards to another post by this OP, the Daily Mail are now casting nets for comments.

I feel for you Britbrit. Bet there's a news ed put you on this and he's probably a bellend. You're probably in your 20s and thinking this is your break.

I know because I was once you and I'm going to say this with love. Get out now before they crush your soul. Stand up, get your coat, go to nearest pub, toast to yourself and find something else to do.

The Romanian man had been in Britain before by himself probably realised/ been told that if he bought his wife and kids back the LA would have no option to find housing for them all and he could claim housing benefit too.

A 4 bed house in outer London would be £24,000 child benefit and school places for all 5 children £4,500 and £ 20,000 so the family would have taken £48,500 a year from the system just for starters by upping sticks and moving to the UK without ever having contributed.

The dad can then get a 16 hour a week job and claim tax credits to top up his wages. They will be entitled to free healthcare and other other welfare benefits they meet the criteria for. To be honest if I was Romanian I'd be on the first plane here.

Most the Poles go back or have a plan to go back.

I sat with lots of African victims of torture today, actually :(

Besides, EU doesn't mean Africa or Syria, it means Bulgaria & Greece (etc). If Bulgaria & Greece are so awful, why haven't they already completely depopulated? Most Bulgarians or Greeks want a good life right where they are. They really don't want to emigrate unless they feel forced to.

Most people love their country & want the best from their own country.

lljkk increasing numbers of Greeks are forecast to come for exactly these reasons.

Your statement about the Polish arrivals is hilarious. many have set up home and are raising family. My good friend is Polish and her entire sibling set is here, with their partners. Each two kids.

She is voting out in the referendum too!

I'd like someone to explain the term indigenous to me and what criteria meet this description tbh.

Its a gross term.

What's gross about the term indigenous?

It isn't just the free healthcare and education - have a look at this and look at our minimum wage compared to lots of other countries in the world en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country
And then you wonder why people want to come?
Our cost of living is a lot higher -especially housing costs.
But if they can crowd into a bed in a shed and live frugally and send money home it can make their family wealthy.
If they can stay for a few years when they return home they are relatively rich - can have a great standard of living, have a nice house etc etc.
Whereas people who want to build a live in this country - raise a family, have a comfortable life struggle...

What's gross about the term indigenous?

Really?

REALLY?

Fair enough, don't explain who you mean by it.... says enough to me...

I think the government need to change our policy on giving housing to immigrants like the Romanian man. could this be possible if we exit. Why do governments bleat on about immigrants not jumping the housing list and getting priority when it is simply not true.

What is the point of building housing if the people here are not getting it

Would he get this in any other EU country and would they be so generous. Why can't we simply say no,what could he do about it?

More jobs going to foreigners could be an issue if there was high unemployment but there are historically low levels of unemployment at the moment and unemployed people are having to spend all their time in and out of unsuitable jobs and applying for jobs they don't want rather than becoming the next beatles or writing the next harry potter. Despite immigration there are still shortages of workers in a lot of areas.

Housing is an issue because (1) council housing has been sold off and not replaced (2) wealthy oligarchs are buying up more and more of London (3) house prices have been growing gradually for years and are now at a level where wages cannot keep up - I know of a lady whose grandfather bought her house for 5 cows - now its worth about 500 000.

Education and health are an issue because the government is funding tax breaks for oligarchs and have spent any available money in counterproductive reorganisations where local authorities are unable to build new schools to meet needs

The example of the Romanian family is what many UK people have experienced first-hand, and why they want to vote Leave. They see no other way of stopping the rot.

Despite the language barrier, the Romanian father managed to register for JSA and get the school enrolment forms for his children. Then the family all came over and they swiftly got allocated the house. That wasn't chance, they were following a tried-and-tested path that's been successful for many others. Some do eventually find work, but usually NMW. I don't blame the Romanian family for doing this - they're wanting better lives for themselves and better futures for their children.

People saying policies need to change, priority should be given to UK residents.... this isn't possible inside the EU. That's why we need to Leave.

red there is absolutely nothing wrong with asserting that individual countries in the UK have their own culture and customs and traditions. There is nothing wrong with being proud of that.

Did anyone else see the EU debate hosted by Victoria Derbyshire on BBC on Thursday night? Did you feel that it was rigged so that Remainists would come out stronger than the Leavers? I did. I suspect that most the 'undecided' group were probably leaning towards the Remain side, which the BBC knew before the pregramme was aired.

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Yes, I was shouting at the to particularly when one girl arrogantly claimed that her family had built the country. Cheek

If you can trace your DNA back to the humans inhabiting what would later become the British Isles in the Upper Palaeolithic, then yes, you might claim to be 'indigenous'. Otherwise, we're all immigrants who've migrated over the centuries/millennia.

Indigenous is a very culturally and politically loaded term, usually applied to the 'first nations' in places like the US and Auz. However, it is often rejected as being a term imposed upon people by western/occidental colonial cultures.

To me indigenous means someone whose ancestors have lived in the country for at least 2 generations and have paid council tax, taxes, NI etc.

Not someone who has travelled from another country and expects the host country to support him/her even though they are unskilled and have nothing to offer and are reliant on benefits to unless they are a refugee and their life is in danger.

To me indigenous means someone whose ancestors have lived in the country for at least 2 generations and have paid council tax, taxes, NI etc.

What does that make someone whose ancestors have lived in the country for at least 2 generations and haven't paid taxes etc?

Squatters?

Or some other equally nasty term?

Someone whose ancestors have lived in the Uk for at least 2 generations themselves would have to be third gen. That's a lot of people who you are kicking out. Including people who were born here and have full British Citizenship.

Based on your dogshit, DH would like to assert his rights based on his ancestry. He's traced his ancestry back over 600 hundred years. He's 'pure breed' English for at least 200 of those. Does this mean he can tell more to 'fuck off out of his country'?

Cos last time I checked, he didn't have any more rights to the country than anyone else who lives here.

Nasty. Nasty. Nasty.

No totally disagree with you.

People who has lived here for 3 generations and not made any financial contribution are lazy or good at tax evasion.

I haven't suggested removing anyone but why would you want any more unproductive people coming to the UK.

In The Times today David Cameron says he thinks the UK should just put up with high immigration rates because of the economic benefits of the EU. For me having an extra £20 in my pocket a week does not make up for:

1. lack of affordable and the prospect that my dcs will never get on the housing ladder
2. not getting a GP appointment when I need one quickly
3. Much longer waiting times to see an NHS consultant/ hospital treatment
4. My dcs not getting places at our nearest school
5. Seriously overcrowded public transport especially in London 6)Living in an area with very transient populations where there are large numbers of houses of multiple occupation
6. When large amounts of taxpayers money is spent on interpreters/ helping migrant children learn English when they are cutting back on basic necessities in schools

I'm sure David Cameron will F* off as soon as the referendum is over to some cushy well paid post hence his love for remain and we the public will be left to suffer the consequences of his actions just as we did with Tony Blair

expects the host country to support him/her even though they are unskilled and have nothing to offer and are reliant on benefits to unless they are a refugee and their life is in danger.

Interesting perspective.

Do you realise that many economic migrants from developing countries would have a lower life expectancy, and that their children would be more likely to die in infancy, as well as suffer from diseases that lower their IQs?

How many 2 or 3 generations of migrants does anyone here know that have not gained jobs and contributed to their host country?
Conversely, there are a few long generation residents that wouldn't qualify for not having had jobs for 2 or 3 generations.

Then I bet it's many of those people complaining about migrants that are also not keen on foreign aid.

Turbinaria, I agree with you 100%. I would like to add the following points:

-More loss of our beautiful countryside to build more houses, as the Government crams more and more people into this tiny island
-More congestion on the roads making driving even more stressful, journeys longer and more pollution

Cameron literally makes my blood boil. I despise that man. I also suspect that even if, when the votes are counted, the majority is to leave the UK, they will be fiddled so that we stay in the EU. I would put nothing past that man.

I think it will be fiddled to stay too.

the roads are so congested as it is

The U.K. should move to a contributory welfare benefits system so everyone, barr those with severe disabilities, have to have paid in to claim.

This would ensure people have to take jobs which are available rather than choosing to live off benefits and lower the need for more immigrants to come and do jobs British citizens don't want to.

I also suspect that even if, when the votes are counted, the majority is to leave the UK, they will be fiddled so that we stay in the EU. I would put nothing past that man.

I think that's possible too, unfortunately.