Latest immigration stats released & they are gigantic again

[BritBrit]

The final immigration stats from the ONS before the EU referendum have been released with immigration for 2015 at 630,000.

-630,000 immigrants came to the UK
-Net immigration was 333,000 up 20,000
-EU immigration was 270,000
-Romanian & Bulgarian immigration tripled in 2015
-42% of EU immigrants did not have a job when coming to the UK
-EU immigrants took more new British jobs (224,000) than British workers (185,000)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/may2016

lweji I'm a 3rd generation immigrant and the big difference is that when my grandfather arrived during WW2 he came from an educated family and brought assets with him. To buy his freedom he gave his ships to the British government. He then ran supply ships between the U.S. and UK. He was hit three times. Speaking Greek or Hebrew in the home was forbidden because we were British now.

Too many of today's migrants don't bring anything with them in terms of skills or assets.

Jesus Wept.

People are already saying that the result is fixed.

Don't bother voting then. There is no point.

Btw you can apply/volunteer to be a counting agent for Leave/Remain campaigns at the official counts. The campaigns are allowed to observe the count to ensure it is correct. Counting agents can question / request a recount before declarations are made. This is to ensure that all parties are satisfied that counts are accurate. It can and does happen that recounts are requested.

RedTooth - you are so antipathic against this country, which I am assuming is your country. You have such a strong aversion to supporting the UK born inhabitants that you come across strongly as Regressive Left.

You are very aggressive to any commonsensical statements made by others, and yet you claim to be overcome by the use of the word 'indigenous'. What defines the regressive left? It is the continuous assumption of Western culpability in everything, and that the UK owes a better life to everyone except its own citizens. That is a most peculiar belief.

The tragedy is that the Regressive Left is now everywhere: in academia, social care, NHS, schools, and although we currently have a Tory government the RL has great influence via encouraging public outcry and agitation. For some extraordinary reason, RL people always put the needs of foreigners first. And before you come over all sensitive, both sets of my grandparents were foreigners, from the old USSR.

Too many of today's migrants don't bring anything with them in terms of skills or assets.

That was not true for your grandfather but it has been true of many migrants throughout history. Many times migrants go in without skills mostly because they couldn't acquire them at home (or had skills not required in the destination country) and even those with skills are given unskilled jobs because the qualifications don't translate or they don't speak the language well at first. I saw that with many eastern European nationals that arrived at my home country initially. Some had graduate degrees and some were doctors but were doing menial jobs.

Turbinaria Thanks for the £ breakdown on the Romanian family of 7. The house they were given is in Birmingham is £750 a month (£9,000 p.a) but of course all utilities and Council Tax will be paid from the public purse.

He clearly did a reconnoitre on a previous short visit by himself, and picked up education enrolment forms during that trip for his kids. Hounslow Council made the wrong decision, because they could have paid for coach travel back to Romania, which is how they arrived.

"red there is absolutely nothing wrong with asserting that individual countries in the UK have their own culture and customs and traditions. There is nothing wrong with being proud of that."

Of course there is not, but there are several people on here who want to extinguish any defining characteristics and habits of being British. Every nationality has an identifiable character, and for some reason the British one has to be diluted away but others' national identities are just cute. This is typical Regressive Left thinking.

I'm aggressive?
Because I raised the ingenious question.
Read it all now.
I've not laughed this hard in a long time.

Of course, when we talk about British heritage this is decided by... oh yes. That would be you then. As 'Britishness' is this solid unchanging thing.

Fair enough. Not even going to dignify the racism with further comment. It can stand on its own for what it is.

I've not seen any responses at all, to the Treasure Cross Party Committee stuff I posted earlier. Which questioned to the extent to which the immigration question could be answered by Brexit.

Given the report was made by both sides of the debate who are fed up of the outlandish campaigning by all, its very interesting.

So you can carry on directing your anger all you like. Perhaps you can come up with some practical solutions independent of Brexit and 'controlling migration numbers'. For all the talk of creative thinking, its in rather short supply when it comes to solving some of these problems.

But yes, of course. I'm regressive.

Perhaps you can drop the attacks on me personally, and what my politics may or may not be and focus on the issues and solutions, which will be needed regardless of who wins the referendum.

A few policies which have consensus rather than rhetoric would be rather useful. Otherwise, there's going to be a lot of hot air blowing, when we need a bit of certainty.

what exactly is a British characteristic?
Culture and notions of Britishness are constantly shifting, like it or not; your 'British values' would seem shocking to some even 30 or 40 years ago.
Remember the sun printing it's Gay Mafia headline? It seems abhorrent and anachronistic now because those attitudes, that particular characteristic of British culture, has changed.

There's not a single aspect of 'Britishness' that stands up to scrutiny when challenged; because each individuals experiences are different.

As RTB says above, once you start to talk of the dilution of British culture you're verging on not UKIP territory but that of the far right.

on a lighter note, When folks start to talk about 'Britishness' i'm reminded of

I agree with Lightstep. Red you are coming across in your posts in a really aggressive way. Why are you so anti UK? Is it an open borders agenda that you have?

Anti-UK?!

I don't read RTB'S posts like that at all. Is this what the debate is reduced to now. Accusing posters of being unpatriotic?

What other reforms - in addition to Brexit - do you intend to implement to deal with all these problems?

Can we have some practical suggestions and brainstorming?

Because this isn't going to be solved by Brexit. You need parallel policy.

If we DO have controls on immigration, we will still have certain areas with skill shortages. Some of this areas will not be well paid, and will be essential. Should immigrants in this category, be struck off the lists for housing etc still? Because not everyone who applies for council housing or benefits is unemployed. If we do that, we don't solve the short term skills shortages.

What are your suggestions for long term policies relating to improving skills of British workers and incentivising them into jobs that we can't currently fill with British workers?

Answers on a postcard please.

All I'm reading is Brexit is a magic bullet and controlling immigration will stop dilution of Britishness. Yes even with controlled immigration based on a points system, you will be letting in, what seems to be 'undesirables' if they are not 'British' enough for your taste thus still diluting this 'Britishness'.

Oh.

This is the problem. Brexit is being used as a vehicle for racist thought rather than coming up with meaningful answers to problems the country faces. Its not dealing with the reality of 'good immigration' either. Its essentially just saying 'ALL immigration' is bad.

Do calm down Red. Nobody has said that all immigration is bad.

People have said over and over again on this thread that there is the need for some immigration - if there is a need for a certain skill that the UK has a shortage of, of course a worker can come here on a visa, the same way that workers from outside the EU come here to work. Why should those from the EU have the right to all the jobs in the UK? Why not the rest of the world too?

Nothing racist about wanting to leave the EU.

Is this what the debate is reduced to now. Accusing posters of being unpatriotic?

The Remain side constantly try to accuse Brexiters of racism. I've rarely heard the "unpatriotic" argument used in return.

Oh I am calm.

I think the 'aggressive' comments are positively hilarous.
I'd simply like answers not personal attacks.

Stop avoiding the question.
Policy suggestions please.

No RedToothbrush we can absolutely continue to fill skills shortages if we leave the EU. I used to work in medical staffing for an NHS trust. We brought in a lot of doctors from outside the EU who needed a work permit, because we couldn't fill the positions from within the EU. It took a few weeks, but not an inordinate amount of time. Staying in the EU so we can fill skills shortages is ludicrous.

That would be because Brexit can't articulate their argument without straying into using words like 'indigenous' and 'Britishness' and then can't define them. Nor is there a development of parallel policy.

Do this. Have other arguments which don't touch on these areas.

The problem is that there ARE racists who support Brexit, and this isn't helping the campaign, and those people who do have really good arguments for Leave.

As I've said before there are good arguments for leaving. Voice them. Drown out the racist shit, because its damaging if its not constructive. A criticism has to be constructive to be effective.

Red, Woodhill gave you a perfectly reasonable definition of indigenous. You called the explanation 'dog shit'. Somewhat aggressive I would say.

Redtoothbrush please could you give some examples of racist comments/arguments regarding leaving the EU. I would be very interested to hear them. Thank you.

Yeah, because I find the word indigenous, that offensive. What are you expecting? No one to make comment about it? Its deliberately inviting a response. You got it.

And you didn't like it.

Were you expecting similes, pats on the back and thumbs up in response?

Unlucky.

I am still waiting for the racist comments RedToothBrush. Are you having difficulty coming up with them?

You can keep waiting then.

Already pointed it out. If you don't get it, your issue.

Anyway, about those policies.

OK RedToothBrush. Thanks!!!

British jobs for British workers; indigenous British people; dilution of British culture.

In the context of immigration, I'm afraid I find these phrases very uncomfortable

What do you find uncomfortable about them Palehorse? Please could you elaborate.