Latest immigration stats released & they are gigantic again

[BritBrit]

The final immigration stats from the ONS before the EU referendum have been released with immigration for 2015 at 630,000.

-630,000 immigrants came to the UK
-Net immigration was 333,000 up 20,000
-EU immigration was 270,000
-Romanian & Bulgarian immigration tripled in 2015
-42% of EU immigrants did not have a job when coming to the UK
-EU immigrants took more new British jobs (224,000) than British workers (185,000)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/may2016

realworlds

The thing is you have been fed a lie and your blaming the EU for things which are your local council and elected governments fault.

As I have mentioned before there are only crap employers they can choose whoever they want to work for them, and could easily choose to train/invest in nationals over getting some one from the EU labour market.

Immigrants are net contributors on the books so the question is - why aren't services being expanded as tax revenue increase?

Why are we giving people tax breaks and cutting essential services to all?

Tax evasion and avoidance costs this country about the same as the costs of the NHS but gets little press.

Remaining is not allowing 'further' immigration, we are part of a club where that is the deal. If we want a free trade deal with EU like switzerland etc then its still the same deal with movement but we get no vote on new members joining, and by the way Turkey wont be joining for a long time.

Leaving completely means we are not part of the Dublin Agreement where we can argue that any one who comes across the med and lands at spain/france/greece etc must register there as its the first country they hit in the EU. So your leaving it to France's better nature as to whether you think they will.

I think there is tax evasion within the immigrant communities and subletting of council properties. I think this needs to be sorted out.

Breaking with your crap employers comment you are overlooking that we have more or less the highest national minimum wage in the EU - plus a free health service.
The NMW in Poland is $474 compared to $1645 in the UK if people come and live in beds in sheds/overcrowded illegal shared houses for a few years they can send money home and their families will be relatively rich - they can buy a nice house and car if they go home to retire. NMW in Romania is $253 and Albania is $175...
Obviously the cost of living in the UK is much higher than these countries - but if you only intend to come and stay short term living on the cheap isn't too much of a burden - and of course at least some of the money these people get paid goes out of our economy and into that of their home country. They might be tax payers (if they are working completely legally) but on minimum wage they will be paying something like £500 pa income tax ... and less eg VAT as their biggest purchases will be made elsewhere.

Pangurban1

" but i am a realist and live on the edge of leicester and see every day how mass imgration from europe and elsewhere has changed the city i was born and bread into."
does this clarify? apologies if i need to make it clearer for you

*Immigrants are net contributors on the books so the question is

Which immigrants are they including in their survey?

I dont understand how men living in shared lodgings, many to a room, who live on shoe string budgets, buying Polish fags under the counter from local shop, and polish beer, are net contributors?

BreakingDad77

not sure i have been fed a lie? it looked very real when i was in the city this morning, it was not the leicester i was born in, it really has a whole new image.
in fact i can honestly say i was the minority there this morning and i usually am every morning.

the councils fault ? maybe...but the councils didnt allow open borders to all and sundry. they just bow down to the needs of the minority , whilst at the same tiome throwing our own culture to the wall for fear of upsetting the minority and having a law suit thrown at them .

i could say the same when i was at the city hospital last week in the middle of the night when my son was very poorly.
i was again a minority , and again i was in a very long queue because of all the immigrants in front of us , this is not about being racist it is about the fact that i was in a very very long queue because of the amount of immigrants that have burdened the nhs with requests for treatment which the nhs are struggling to cope with.

the infrastructures of the government bodies are totally unable to cope any more with any further influxes of migrants, it really is that simple.
thats not racism, that is common sense.

As for the people who employ immigrants , it really isnt difficult to understand why , given the fear of being pulled into an employment tribunal because you chose mr brown over mr singh , who both have the same qualifications.
it matters not that one has language barrier issues over the other , fear of retribution through tribunals is common place in the uk unfortunately.

we have equality but sadly the minority are more equal.

the eu is a complete scandle and to be honest where all the money goes or is syphoned off to, no will ever know , it is the biggest rip off the civilised world has ever been subjected to and very few can see through it.

Apology accepted, Real.

I was just wondering what the connection was between the EU and halal. As this referendum is just about remaining or leaving membership of the EU.

Immigration from everywhere else, including the Commonwealth countries, which I have heard espoused a lot as an alternative source to replace EU migrants (and thus possibly retain present numbers) will not be affected by a Leave vote at all. In fact, it appears most realistic scenarios following a Leave vote will not even affect EU migration. But without any voice whatsoever.

Pangurban1....we can go on and on about the benefits of the eu and how immigration is making this a better place to live..its all codswallop quite simple.
we are worse off as country now than we have ever been.
we are controlled by another countries decisions on many topics including overburdening this country with immigrants from all countries. full stop.
if these immigrants are such a benefit to the uk , why are the countries they are coming from in such a mess, and more importantly why do they feel the neeed to come to the uk and pass through many other great countries of the eu in which the wonderful talents they possess i have no doubts would be welcomed with open arms?
its not difficult to understand , the uk is an easy target , but unfortunately that target has run out of the required ability to support the needs of all these immigrants with major investment which can only come from the higher taxation of working people of the uk.
not just direct taxation but indirect taxation such as fuel tax, power tax, council tax, car tax, taxc tax tax...and every one doesnt seem to realise
that the problem is compounded by the open door policies of this country.
again i have no doubt i will be called racist , islamaphobic, god knows whataphobic because i choose to state the obvious which far too many in this country have lost the back bone to say as they are a little scared of having a little name calling thrown at them.

the obvious is far too obvious to be denied, but many, including most of the immigrants in the uk find this unacceptable..im sorry but i believe people are waking up to what is really happeneing around them.

the few do gooders who live in the gated estates or the politicians whose bupa membership allows them to overstep the long cues of immigrants at the major nhs hospitals , these , havent quite got the message yet but it is slowly dawning on them i believe , but feel they may be just a little too embarrased too admit they made very bad decisions as they are unsure of how or if they can remedy it.
this country needs to close its doors with immediate effect and leave the eu.

the megvalomaniac juncker suggested yesterday "deserters will not be welcomed with open arms" is this what we need making our rules? nasty threats ? its bordering mental terrorism.

the berlin stock exchange cheif admits if brexit happens germany may follow,... germany and the uk are propping this dinosaur up, the sooner we let go the better.

nothing good at all has come from the eu including the 13,000 known criminals we have had to allow to stay within the uk and at least 6000 of which we have had to foot the cost of imprisoning.
and when released we then have to allow them to stay and the majority of the time support them finacially.
the 13000 criminals is equivalent to a population the size of a small town , and that is just the known ones.
only a fool would put up with this garbage.

if these immigrants are such a benefit to the uk , why are the countries they are coming from in such a mess

IF you are referring to East Europeans it's because many of these countries were communist & have underdeveloped economies which are beginning to emerge.

more importantly why do they feel the neeed to come to the uk and pass through many other great countries of the eu in which the wonderful talents they possess i have no doubts would be welcomed with open arms?

The is a lot of evidence EU migrants come here to work. Eurozone countries are beginning to show signs of recovery after the economic crisis so they don't have as many available jobs as we have in the UK & it's easier to work unofficially here. As the economy & employment prospects in the Eurozone & East Europe improves fewer EU migrants will come here, more are likely to return to their home countries & the more trade they can do.

STIDW
The is a lot of evidence EU migrants come here to work.
there is a lot more evidence to prove they have come here to escape a criminal past and intend fully to continue these wonderful prospects whilst they are here..
its a very poor defence you have thrown up as for every piece of evidence that is put up there is another piece of evidence that pulls it all down again.
i prefer to look around me and ask myself is this the same country i lived in 15 years ago ? and the answer is resoundingly no! its a faceless multicultural shambles of minority oppression and lost identity.

you keep believeing that the open door policy is fine if you like , but for me and my childrens future i would prefer to shut the doors and keep them shut with the exception of people who have a skill to offer this country, which we are unable to provide from within.

there is a lot more evidence to prove they have come here to escape a criminal past

But the 13,000 foreign criminals include those from outside the EU & one of three most predominant nationalities among foreign national offenders is Irish.

Migration is an international problem. Eg Australia's immigration rate is more than the UK, & both Australia & the US have large numbers of illegal immigrants. It isn't just about people getting in, some enter legally but don't leave when their visas expire.

Leaving the EU won't automatically end freedom of movement & it doesn't resolve the problem with those from outside the EU. It depends entirely what policy the government adopts, how efficient the Home Office is & what agreements are negotiated with other countries (& not just those in the EU!) Also there is the issue of the Irish border to settle.

STIDW ,, "Leaving the EU won't automatically end freedom of movement & it doesn't resolve the problem with those from outside the EU. It depends entirely what policy the government adopts, how efficient the Home Office is & what agreements are negotiated with other countries (& not just those in the EU!) Also there is the issue of the Irish border to settle."

this i do agree with...but it certainly will give us the choice to return these criminals back to the homelands and we at least have a chance of clearing the problem and at least easing the over burden on the hospitals , housing, police and various other bodies put in place to ensure we are all safe and secure and the less fortunate can have a place to sleep in safety.

regarding the single irish fellow you mentioned it is being rather picky when the total was 13,000.

i think even you if you gave it some serious thought would honestly find this a bit of a joke.
none of it stacks up, none of it , the monster that the eu has grown into from the eec we voted into in 1972 bears no similarity to its original proposition what soever.

what we have now is a behemoth that we have no control over in any form and we have to pay billions for the priveledge.
600 million pounds went missing last year in fraudulent payments alone to various crazy projects of which we have no control over , or have a chance of recouping..does that sound like a positive to stay in the eu to you?

how many hospitals or care homes or physchiatric hospitals would that have saved in the uk that have been closed down due to cutbacks to scrimp and save to ensure that our eu commitments are met.

people say that immigrants give a net tax production in this country, a few maybe but the majority are flying high on tax credits , which pays out far more to them than they put in.
it is very acceptable for immigrants to have large families, indeed encouraged , and who has to pay for it? every uk taxpayer.

Lets not forget about the immigrant workers who come over and take work on.
they are also entitled to family allowance for all their siblings that live in another country whilst they work in the uk...thats fine we say they pay taxes, but when they quit twelve months later and go home and they get a tax refund of all the taxes they paid, but we dont get the child allowance back...its a one way street and that street is loose loose loose.

we ve all seen the romanian benefit pranks on the tv, and you think there is only a few of them, wrong again.

our system allows for them to come to the uk and be looked after better than they could ever dream of in there own countries but you all must realise you are the loosers.

you are in the long queue for hospital treatment or in an overcrowded school that has to have three different languages spoken or cannot have a ham sandwich or pork on the menu or extortionate dental costs from a team of foreign dentists who to be honest i would not let them loose as a horse dentist let alone on my teeth.

this is my experience of what has happened in the country i was born in,
put it down to the eu, or immigrants , or bad politicians or bankers, there is little to choose between any of them.

the only answer is to just close the doors and lets try sorting this huge mess out as im sure that whilst the immigrants are pouring in it will only make matters a lot lot worse.

how many of you have realised how difficult tax credits will be to obtain now the recent laws have come in to limit income tax support claims purposly to stop the immigrants clawing millions from the countries coffers? not dawned on you yet? the tax credits were put in place to help those on low incomes to live a decent lifestyle whist working in a low paid job , they are nearly abolished now and no one has noticed it was done. look at the figures!

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It depends entirely what policy the government adopts, how efficient the Home Office is & what agreements are negotiated with other countries (& not just those in the EU!)

That'll do for to begin with! If we don't like certain policies, we can take action. Very simple.

It's bad that the workers can get a tax rebate if they go home, and agree about them repaying the child benefit. the whole thing is a joke and it's lose, lose, lose for the UK

If we don't like certain policies, we can take action

we the people can take action, we can pressure our government to take action.

we cant do jack about Brussels. They do not care about us. They are focused on a dream utopia higher goal! What more evidence do people need.

regarding the single irish fellow you mentioned it is being rather picky when the total was 13,000

lol- I don’t think I said that. What I said was “one of three most predominant nationalities among foreign national offenders was Irish” i.e. Irish was one of the three most predominant nationalities. The significance is Brexiter & NI secretary Theresa Villiers has said the existing Irish border arrangements would continue much as they are if the UK left the EU.

600 million pounds went missing last year in fraudulent payments alone

Of course any fraud is bad news but put into context fraud in the UK public sector costs £37.5bn & £670m fraud amounts to just 0.6% of the EU's budget. 80% of the budget is spent under 'shared management' between the Commission dispersing the funding & member states managing it. Director-general of the EU Anti-Fraud Office investigating the fraud said he does not believe there is widespread corruption in how the union's funds are dispersed.

"Pangurban1....we can go on and on about the benefits of the eu and how immigration is making this a better place to live..its all codswallop quite simple."

Huh? Whether you consider whatever those issues are as being codswallop or not, it has nothing to do with my post. Not even tenuously. Never mentioned benefits or making anywhere better.

I was wondering what the connection was with the EU and halal. As it was all sort of lumped together into the mix. And the fact that this is a referendum about membership of the EU, so nothing to do with immigration outside of the EU.

The only connection to immigration from outside the EU I have heard is brexiteers saying that the EU migration can be replaced from people from Commonwealth countries.

pang since Angela Merkel stupidly invited all the economic migrants of the world the refugees to come to Germany other countries are being pressured to take them.
A lot of these 'refugees' are economic migrants from Islamic countries - who tried piggyback on the refugees crisis (And Angelina Jolie Pitt - very much on the side of the refugees - recently in a speech acknowledged these people existed, were a problem and diverted aid from the people who were genuine refugees - so that isn't a racist or xenophobic comment)

Once they get though Europe to Calais it is easier for them to get into Britain and being tied into the EU means we come under increased pressure and also in a few years when they become European citizens they will have free movement into the UK...
And eg when Greece/Macedonia stopped Pakistanis going over the border they were protesting...and by far the largest Pakistani community in Europe is in the UK ...so I would imagine that is where the majority of them were heading...

Unlucky , I understand how the fittest and strongest get prioritised by a system of giving asylum to people who have the means to pay for traffickers, and agree dangerous people can use refugees' plight as a cover. I think the people who get left behind are the ones who are probably the most vulnerable and the UN said that people should process their asylum claim from the the first safe areas like Turkey and camps in Jordan. Crucially, people should get allocated asylum to safe countries around the world. This would help prevent people who are migrants from wasting and diverting finite and precious resources away from refugees who are in a desperate situation or only a few countries becoming responsible for giving asylum. This is not an EU issue per se. People who can pay traffickers are travelling to European countries because it is a very good continent to live in. Having heard the 'fact' the EU is one of the most economically stagnant places apart from Antartica, I am wondering why the boats aren't all going the other way full of Europeans as economic migrants.

I also think Merkel's invite could only be extended for Germany. She has no power to invite people to other countries. Britain has an opt out in any event. I think that lack of planning was the mistake. Countries in Northern Europe washed their hands of the problem. Ships were sent to the Mediterranean to save people and transport them to Italy. Then the ships returned home without a second thought or forethought. The issue of people travelling through Europe could have been predicted, but countries wanted to ignore it until became a huge issue. If the attitude was/is that UK doesn't have to deal with people arriving on Europe's shores, then the rest of Europe can also take the attitude that they don't either as people travel through them on their way to the UK. There needs to be a plan and co-operation. Of course, Sweden and Germany were more 'popular' destinations overall.

I'd imagine people from Pakistan are hoping for a Brexit. Being members of the Commonwealth, they on the list of Countries being espoused to replace EU immigration in the UK, so I suppose that would reduce one nationality entering Greece on their way to the UK.

However, I think that in the event of a Brexit, there wouldn't be even the slightest attempt to curtail the movement of people or traffickers illegally gaining or trying to gain entry to the UK. Emmanuel Macron, the french Economy Minister, said that the border could revert to the UK. This may or may not happen. The point is it could. All deals could be off. I wouldn't be cynical enough to think they would actively encourage this movement.

I think people intent on terrorism are as likely to come into countries through the normal immigration channels. Don't forget the guys who drove the planes into the twin towers were not illegals. The 7/7 bombers were not illegal. People planting IRA bombs in the UK or the Loyalist bombs in Dublin and Monaghan were not illegals. Ones in Belgium weren't illegal.

Good policing, sharing information and co-operation and law enforcement throughout the EU is more likely to help everyone's security and safety. And not always firefighting problems that could have been predicted and measures put in place to ensure there is not always a hard landing.

I still don't know what the EU Referendum has to do with halal.

Excuse the jumbled and probably garbled post.

Gee, sorry about length of it.

myhoover I am pretty sure our agreement about Calais with the French is nothing to do with the EU.
And the EU aren't doing that good a job of dealing with the situation anyway - if the border moves to our side we can stick them all in a detention centre - concentrate on quickly processing their right to asylum - and seeing as they have left a safe country ...France... I guess we should be able to return them. They should have processed way before they got as far as the Jungle. And we wouldn't have the Jungle on our side anyway -it would still be in France as they try to smuggle their way across the channel...which is the bottle neck - unless you think France could get away with sticking them on coaches/ferries & trains through the tunnel. If they have a genuine claim we can deal with them - as they should have been dealt with in France- or in fact in Greece/Italy etc.
I have said before I knew someone who came to the UK illegally - they came through Italy - were picked up there and put on a minibus with lots of others and taken to the French border and released...that was several years ago now -but obviously at the time the Italians were off loading the problem to France who are effectively offloading the problem to us - hardly European partners working together...