What's best for the next generation?

[HeckyWithTheGoodBear]

I really can't make up my mind on this one. It's the first time I've ever been able to vote (except from the last general election which I missed as I was in a postnatal daze and feel awful about as I can't complain about the Tories without feeling guilty) and it seems like this vote in particular is massively massively important - and ever so slightly overwhelming, and difficult as the two sides say specifically contradictory things.

Even in the official leaflet they put through my door, one side of the page said the EU costs us £++ and the other side said EU gave us £++. Most of us don't have economics/ politics PHD's so how is your average joe supposed to figure out who is telling the truth? I'm getting swayed every day.

But my main concern is what will be best for my baby DD, and any future children I go on to have. Lord knows the last generation has fucked everything up for me and my peers (in regards to housing, uni fees etc.). So what is the best decision for our children, IYO? Which decision means they are most likely to get a house, and a job, and a fair wage?

Chief executive of Leave says they still want free movement but of western europe which would be hard to police as people could just step stone across. Also he and others are saying we open up freedom of movement to some commonwealth countries.

So here we go again full circle - what does leave get you?!

Voting in as it gives future generations better trade opportunities and stability. The EU is a carrot to countries to actually bother to sort themselves out,

What we need is better UK governance,
-)UK has some of the highest inequality in Europe, we have a undemocratic (if you think EU is) voting system,
-) we have class problems with taxation vs benefits.
-)We have an obsession with the south of UK,
-)we have bad employers not bad economic migrants- you dont have to pay crap wages and scrap apprenticeships, shock horror they could actually try and nurture Uk talent.

Leaving EU wont help any of these only a race to the bottom, the population was suckered into austerity and I fear what they will cook up brexit.

we have bad employers not bad economic migrants- you dont have to pay crap wages and scrap apprenticeships, shock horror they could actually try and nurture Uk talent.

I know! i was really shocked to discover yesterday (just me, most people probably know..) that zero-hours contracts are actually illegal in most of the EU (Ireland and Holland excepted).
Maybe i'll ask my MEP to put forward legislation to the Commission to outlaw them across the EU, providing we Remain...

zero-hours contracts are actually illegal in most of the EU (Ireland and Holland excepted)

And the UK. This is because, beyond certain minimum conditions, employment law is determined by individual EU states not by the EU.

I'm in favour of remaining, but I'm not in favour of the EU determining the details of employment law beyond the basic human rights and health/ safety element (such as limits on working hours and the right to minimum rest periods, annual and maternity leave etc). Approaches to employment law in the largest and most influential EU member states are really very different, and there is no reason to think that they can or should be harmonised.

The Five Presidents Report clearly outlines the timeline for a move towards closer union giving ever-greater authority to the European Commission and the European Court of Justice, whose edicts and rulings can be imposed on us regardless of our government wants.

Someone just posted on my Twitter feed "What kind of parent would condemn their child to a future where they had no way of removing lawmakers without violence".
Simple, to the point and, scarily, very true if we stay in the EU.

I think the EU will look very different in 5, 10, 20 years' time. It's on a set path to ever-closer union, transferring wealth from richer countries to poorer in an effort to create one single superstate. In the meantime the poorer countries transfer their youth unemployment to the richer ones.

I think the powers behind the EU throne hoped that the single currency would have brought more prosperity by now, but sadly the Eurozone still contains a fair few basketcase economies, hampered even more by being imprisoned by the Euro currency itself. Bringing more and more poorer nations into both the Eurozone and the EU isn't going to improve matters.

The Five Presidents Report clearly outlines the timeline for a move towards closer union giving ever-greater authority to the European Commission and the European Court of Justice, whose edicts and rulings can be imposed on us regardless of our government wants

The Five Presdient Report proposals are focused on the Eurozone & wouldn't directly affect us because the UK isnt in the single currency. Indirectly the single market would be deepened which he UK has been pushing for ages to benefit our economy.

STIDW, Tory dinosaur Michael Hestletine has insisted at some point we will join the Euro and I think he is probably right. Although Cameron's negotiations included an opt-out of the Euro, the negotiations arent ratified. The agreement could well be torn up if we remain because the only way the Euro can work is if all the countries in the EU are ultimately in a complete fiscal union i.e. one state with one bank.

If we do manage to stay outside the Euro, we will be relegated to a small outer group with Sweden and Denmark (nearly all other states will be in the Euro by 2020, not sure about Poland) which will give us less influence in policy making.

Neither option is particularly appealing to me.

Here's a reality check for how inefficient the EU is when it comes to trade deals.....maybe Remain have not won the economic argument...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/one-glance-at-the-eus-dismal-trade-policy-simply-destroys-the-ec/

I'm voting for a more nimble UK able to negotiate its own trade deals....

But Anna Forbes, what does that old Tory dinosaur Baron (Norman) Lamont say. Or that old Tory dinosaur Lord (Nigel) Lawson, who lives in France. They are big on all that and democracy too, I'd say.

And I would not be surprised what the non dom Barclay Brothers owned newspaper says. I'd imagine they would like straight influence to No 10. Big believers in democracy, accountability and people power too I'd say.

The article is written by Rishi Sunak, Conservative MP. I see he had a large investment firm, but don't know if his analysis is impartial or if he has vested personal interest in the rolling back of regulations that protect other people?

Of course these sort of people always protected. The "Big Short" was good on that.

He does throwaway and flippant, but empty of substance speak. For instance.

"People often ask me what an independent Britain would look like. It’s not a hard question to answer. It looks like the other 170 nations around the world that manage their own trade policy, and in many cases do a much better job than the EU. "

That doesn't tell anyone how the UK will look. And the Uk (don't know about Britain on it's own) is an independent country, so language designed to give certain slants.

And many countries are now forming their own trading blocs.

Here's another article questioning some of the economic arguments of the Remain camp...

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/eu-referendum-why-the-economic-consensus-on-brexit-is-flawed-a7057306.html