12 million Turks say they'll come to the UK

[BritBrit]

A survey conducted across all Turkish regions says that 16% (12 million) of the population say they want to come to the UK when the nation joins the EU. With membership talks set to start again in June should the UK be worried & will this influence your vote in the EU referendum

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-Britain-exclusive-poll-crime-figures-Turks

It's not racist to want to have some control over our immigration. Racist is a lazy word to use in this context.

It's not racist to be worried about the effects of immigration on housing, education, the NHS etc but by definition it is racist/bigotry to generalise about a group of people because of where they come from or their religion. So treating all migrants from a particular country as though they are criminals, rapists, scroungers, backward & dirty is racist. Not saying anyone is doing that here, but unfortunately all too often people do the latter eg saying they do not want to a Romanian family living next door.

Will they join the millions of Romanians?

I will be voting leave, we may be poorer initially we may not but need to think of the long term picture.

Problem with immigration is everyone who doesn't have a problem with it a accuses anyone who does have a problem seems to be the people least affected.

As a small family on low income in private rented accommodation and would love the security of a HA property I feel I am one of those most affected by mass immigration.

It's easy to sit in your secure home with your secure well paid job and just say "racist" when people voice concerns.

Yes I know there are exceptions, there always are.

This survey was 2600 people
They didn't ask 12m people.

I think if people vote out because they are thinking that the Turks are coming over here to get our jobs or claim benefits, or people vote out simply because they want to close borders, it's very narrow minded.

There's a lot more to this than immigration and this kind of headline is infuriating because it perpetuates the myth that the immigrants are scroungers.

It's not immigrants being scroungers, although I don't doubt that some are. It's about my family getting pushed further down the housing priority, unable to get doctors' appointments, unable to get a job for example. Schools become more crowded and spend a high proportion of funds teaching children to speak English.

It frightens me, but my fears are invalidated and dismissed, and written of as "racism".

It's scaremongering. It's a leave campaign strategy

Oh ffs, yawn

I am able to get a job, a doctors appointment and a house and always have been despite having grown up in East London amongst thousands of immigrants.

I mean seriously. That's the best you can come up with? "Immigration must be stopped, I don't want to wait two weeks to see a GP"?!?!

That's just it maybe - ffs, yawn yadda yadda...

Dismissive. You're not affected, bully for you. I am, I'm worried. Sure, you don't like that, fair enough. But dismissing people like me doesn't help me change my mind.

So treating all migrants from a particular country as though they are criminals, rapists, scroungers, backward & dirty is racist. Not saying anyone is doing that here, but unfortunately all too often people do the latter eg saying they do not want to a Romanian family living next door.

To be fair, when anyone says that I think they probably mean Roma, not Romanian. They don't always understand the distinction.

Vote leave! Doesn't matter where they're from, any country with a human rights problem joining the EU will spell a massive influx to countries without one. Even in 20 years time.

To be fair, when anyone says that I think they probably mean Roma, not Romanian. They don't always understand the distinction

How does that make it better?

the lack of housing association homes is very little to do with immigrants, and everything to do with the fact that not enough have been built for the last 30 years.

With an aging population that wait for a GP will only get longer... especially with fewer tax paying working-age people here oating in to the NHS.

Voting leave out of paranoia that Turkey could theoretically join in 20 years time - even though very few signs point to it happening even that far away, given lack of progress - really does make Leave sound desperate. I, and most people, care far more about my and my family's housing, money and jobs this year and the next few years. Voting Remain because throwing our economic standing away over fear about who might get the right to come here when I'm retired is simply bonkers.

MilkTwoSugars - "It frightens me, but my fears are invalidated and dismissed, and written of as "racism"."

It frightens me too. I agree with all your fears and think they're well-founded. All around me I see public services massively overstretched, resources spread thinner and thinner. The answer the Remainers give is simply to spend more money, build more schools, build more houses. There's a huge environmental cost to do all that - and besides that, who pays? The country is hugely in debt and nobody's going to vote for a tax increase.

My answer is to limit the numbers coming in by introducing a controlled immigration policy. At the moment the government has no idea how many have arrived, and it can do nothing to prevent anyone from the EU settling here in the future. No council stands a chance of doing any planning.

My answer is to limit the numbers coming in by introducing a controlled immigration policy. At the moment the government has no idea how many have arrived, and it can do nothing to prevent anyone from the EU settling here in the future. No council stands a chance of doing any planning. I really have no idea why some people have backed themselves into a corner by thinking that unlimited immigration is, or can ever be, a good thing. Is it toeing the party line without any deviation, so to speak? I have no answers for this very strange way of thinking. Sensible people would agree with you, Limer. By all means, let's welcome immigrants (I am an immigrant and have been welcomed) but let's select people according to the skills/needs ratio. What is so hard to understand about that?

maybe it doesn't make it better. I was just pointing out that I often hear people moaning about some of the problems they associate with 'the Romanians' or 'the Bulgarians' in our town and actually they referring to Roma, as opposed to your average Romanian or Bulgarian. I suppose it would be like moaning about the Irish when your problem is with Irish Travellers.

At the moment the government has no idea how many have arrived
It's just not true. People up thread are upset that Remainers can have 'played the racism card', yet it's ok to make spurious claims about unchecked immigration.

The survey carried out was of 2600 people - a vanishingly small number - most of whom were students/unemployed, so you can see the allure of a country like Britain. Doesn't mean they WILL all move here, or that they will be able to. The Daily Express is an awful rag.

'Is anyone making any plans in case we Remain

Like what exactly?

Are you going to emigrate - where to exactly?

Maybe you could hang about the Preppers board and fashion a tin foil hat.

Like what exactly? Are you going to emigrate - where to exactly? Maybe you could hang about the Preppers board and fashion a tin foil hat.

Well, I was half-joking but actually, there are some serious undertones. Take a look at the map of voting for 'nationalistic' parties in EU countries that the BBC published yesterday, then look at the unreported rioting in same countries which seems to be happening on an almost-daily basis, and then ask yourself whether you want to continue raising your children here. I have no interest in Prepping, but I'm seriously considering moving somewhere a little more, shall we say, stable.

Oh for goodness' sake.

I am able to get a job, a doctors appointment and a house and always have been despite having grown up in East London amongst thousands of immigrants. That's nice. My kid didn't get any of our school choices (out of six).

Four mummy, can you prove exactly why your child didn't get their school place out of six? Which is shocking shocking shocking.

Iceland is at a similar stage of joining the EU, but you don't hear panic alarums that they're all going to come here

Yes, but there are only 323,000 Icelanders in total - there are 70 million Turks! And Iceland is a country with an equivalent standard of living, Turkey is very poor by comparison to any western nation.

How on earth do you know you missed your school place due to immigration?!