12 million Turks say they'll come to the UK

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A survey conducted across all Turkish regions says that 16% (12 million) of the population say they want to come to the UK when the nation joins the EU. With membership talks set to start again in June should the UK be worried & will this influence your vote in the EU referendum

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-Britain-exclusive-poll-crime-figures-Turks

Well it is a little bit stupid MardleBum to worry about something that is at least five years off but more like 10. If it happens at all. And the only reason that the Express is printing this is to whip up anti-Muslim fear and hatred.

I'd say that was the very definition of racist.

Iceland dropped their bid to join the Eu over a year ago saying their interests are better served outside the Eu.

If only 10% of turks wanting to come to the uk do arrive that's still an extra 1.2 million people. Being concerned about that I'd not racist and frankly I'm fed up up with people who are to stupid to answer where the additional housing, schools, jobs, medical care, policing, fire services and the hundreds of other parts of infrastructure required are going to come from. Those bremainers who harp on about the uk being a small island conveniently forget this when they want to open the country to the rest of the world.

A little less hyperbole: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35832035

I'm sorry I have offended you; I'm not accusing you it any one else on this thread of being racist.
However, I really believe that the leave campaign are playing to people's concerns about immigration (warranted or not) and are doing it in a racist way.

I find the attitude to Turkey incredibly offensive. I've traveled to and worked in Turkey (on a kind of scientific project) and was very aware when working with local people of my Western origins and not coming across as a kind of 'colonial'westerner (attitudes I did see with other Western Europeans working on the same project). So when I see these same attitudes in the leave campaign I find it at best xenophobic, and at worst racist.

If you'd asked people ten or 15 years ago if they were especially alarmed about immigration levels (either EU or otherwise) most people would have said no.

I think it's better to be realistic this time around about the potential effects for us IF we stay in, and Turkey and any other countries along the way are admitted. Whether that's in 5 years or 10 or 20.

It's silly to worry about something that is at least 5 years away Lynda. Are you for real!? 5 years is nothing.

Why would it be stupid to worry about something that may ONLY be 5 yrs away, that's not a long time away at all, blink and it will be here.

I think it is a worry for people not only for them but for their children's lives too, there are already massive pressures on NHS, housing, education and many other resources yet we still welcome more and more people in with open arms. When will it stop? Do we really want to wait until these resources are on their arse before someone realises wait a minute we can't keep doing this - it's too late by then. Some people would say the NHS, housing and education ar already on their arse given the state of them...

Analysis by Vote Leave suggests Turkey’s membership in the EU would result in far higher numbers of criminals coming to the UK.

I'd love to see that analysis

Turkish people make up the largest immigration group in Gernany. Yet their crime index is considerably lower than ours.

I think sadly we'll stay, and I think we'll live to regret it.

The issues we have will only grow, UKIP will be on the rise, along with the rise of the right across Europe (look at Austria today) and stronger countries decide they'll have referendums and leave us with an imploding eu when all the damage will have been done with mass immigration and pressure on schools, housing, hospitals. I think it's a bleak long term picture.

I know peggy I only have to look at my facebook feed to see that the very same people who constantly post pro-Labour anti-Tory memes, who rant constantly about benefits caps and cuts affecting people with disabilities, the underfunded NHS, poor pay for junior doctors etc, etc are the SAME people who are very pro-Europe, pro-immigration (from within Europe and outside of it) and think anything other than an open door policy for all puts us on a par with Nazi Germany.....

These people really do appear to have the most fundamental lack of understanding about how weighing scales work and think that money grows on trees and that the simple answer lies in just finding a 'fat cat' to tax.

ThroughThickandThin You may be right. The future may be more than any of us bargained for. I am a definite 'Leave'.Perhaps we should have a thread, 'Is anyone making any plans in case we Remain?'.

There are so many IFs here.

IF Turkey joins the EU - which even if it happens, is a very long way off as most of the EU is against it, and many would have to get it through a referendum for it to happen (which it is unlikely to pass).

If that happens, these figures assume there wouldn't be transitional controls. We had these when Romania and Bulgaria joined, and it's hard to believe we wouldn't if any other countries joined.

So IF this happens, it's at least a decade away and more likely two decades. By which time the Turkish will very different to now - rendering any predictions about how many might come here irrelevant.

I think I see the concern about possible Turkish immigration as racist because there is no similar concern about large numbers of migrants from America, France or Spain. I do understand the implications of a new country adding to the numbers of potential migrants, but the focus of most of what I've seen boils down to 'we don't want people like them coming over.'

Turkey will join (Germany support it) & we will have another massive influx

Actually Turkish EU membership has been UK foreign policy under Labour, the coalition & Tory governments for years whilst Angela Merkel has consistently opposed it. She repeated this in an interview on German TV during Oct/Nov 2015 & more recently confirmed Turkish EU membership is “not on the agenda.”

www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/merkel-turkish-eu-membership-not-on-the-agenda/

Before a country can become a member of the EU it must complete 33 out of 35 policy chapters & show commitment to values of democracy, justice, gender equality etc. Turkey applied to join the EU in 1987 & has only provisionally completed one. At the rate it will take almost 1000 years before it will be ready to join. Then legally the EU Council (heads of each EU state) must unanimously agree to accession & ratify membership.

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=URISERV:l14536&from=EN

I'm voting leave

Turkey has been trying to join the EU since 1962. The fact they haven't joined yet might be a bit of a clue that they probably won't be joining any time soon.

Funny that the Remainers are scoffing that Turkey will never qualify to join the EU. I think Turkey's holding all the trump cards here - firstly it was visas in return for stemming the millions arriving from human trafficking, next it'll be full EU membership.

And the Remainers are throwing racist accusations about as per usual. I don't want 12 million from anywhere migrating to the UK without any form of control.

Vote Leave.

Limer just for the record and you can check on another thread on here about the EU and immigration I am undecided on how I am going to vote.

Muskey you're undecided? Great, you have a few weeks to make up your mind. It's probably the most important vote you'll ever cast.

Limer Sun 22-May-16 14:53:19
I think Turkey's holding all the trump cards here

And how will they prevent even a single one of the existing members of the EU from exercising their veto?

And how will they prevent even a single one of the existing members of the EU from exercising their veto?

By the threat of opening the floodgates from the people-traffickers again.

PigletJohn- the only countries who would veto are Greece or Cyprus (the UK never would, both Tories & Labour want Turkey in) & Greece/Cyprus won't do it because they are small nations with little power & both are in financial chaos dependent on EU & IMF money to survive

You don't think, for example, Hungary, or Austria then? Nor Germany? Why not?

How did you evaluate the opinions of 28 countries and choose only two?

And how have you decided that Turkey would persuade Greece and Cyprus not to exercise their veto?

Funny that the Remainers are scoffing that Turkey will never qualify to join the EU.

No one has said Turkey will never qualify to join the EU, just that it isn't going to happen anytime soon.