The only way to get the EU to take the UK seriously is to vote to leave

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Cameron tells us repeatedly that he wants to remain in a reformed EU.

Many others across the political divides also acknowledge the need for the EU to reform itself.

Some say that's why we need to remain in the EU - to change it from within.

I think the EU's refusal to engage with Cameron's plea for his EU reforms and the failure of his 'special deal' to achieve anything like the changes he originally said he wanted, show the EU is unwilling/incapable of reform.

I think the only way to get the EU to start taking our demands for reform seriously is to vote to leave.

They need to start imagining what the EU would be like without one of its largest funders - the UK. We do that by voting to leave.

As people have mentioned, the rest of the EU doesn't like us for various reasons including our relationship with America. You just have to look at the Eurovision Contest for example!

The Eurovision final is this Saturday... will be very interesting to see how the votes go!

"At least i shall never have to tell my children that I voted for Cameron."

Neither will I, Spring. We've been through this before. It's not hard, so con-cen-trate.

"Cameron" is not an option on the ballot paper. The options are "leave" and "remain". The "leave" option is largely being promoted by those nutters in UKIP and the more rabidly right-wing, pro-privatisation side of the Tories. The "remain" option is largely being supported by, er, everyone else.

But if you want to make doubly sure, I suggest you put your X in the "leave" box, and write "(NOT CAMERON)" next to it. That'll do the trick.

Anyway, good night. Don't stay up frothing at the mouth about those bad people in Brussels all night, will you?

Anyway, good night. Don't stay up frothing at the mouth about those bad people in Brussels all night, will you?

Only wage slaves have to go to bed early.

Labour traditionally represents the working class. People who are working class are the most likely to support Brexit. So why isn't Labour representing them?

JC is taking a holiday just before the referendum.

Err, Europe Day is not about celebrating Europe - it's about celebrating the founders of the EU.

That explains why nobody's heard of it.

Never mind - We can celebrate our first Independence From the EU Day on 23rd June 2017

Labour traditionally represents the working class. People who are working class are the most likely to support Brexit. So why isn't Labour representing them?

I've puzzled over this too Winterbiscuit Labour have ignored the working class before and paid the price for doing so. Do they really think the EU is so much of a noble cause that they can sacrifice their core voters to it? Those core voters who are suffering due to low wages, expensive housing, overcrowded schools/hospitals, etc. and can squarely blame uncontrolled immigration?

Why would Labour support something which is so plainly not in working class people's (or any working people's) interest? What is popular is not always what is right.

I wonder if the uk will suddenly 'win' Eurovision, or be treated with the usual contempt. I think I'd be even more insulted if they thought tossing us the dry bone of a song contest thinking "that will shut them up".

Are there really people who think Eurovision is significant?

As a measure of their opinion of us, yes!

Please enlighten me as to how leaving the EU will save the NHS from privatisation as the opposite seems the case to me (not that there will be much NHS left to privatise by the time this lot have finished with it).

I live in a beautiful part of the country. It's also classed as a deprived area by the EU (did you know Cornwall is classed as deprived by the EU?) and so receives stonking amounts of cash from the EU. Anyone living within a 200 mile radius of me is a turkey voting for xmas if they vote Leave (although last general election results indicate some are rather good at that - and no I'm not a labour supporter & yes I was alive in the 70's).

Kelandry, you've got to be joking, right? I don't know anyone who even watches Eurovision in a non-ironic way, and I certainly don't know anyone who votes in it. I mentioned Eurovision to my (non-British, EU national) boyfriend and his friends, and they'd never even heard of it.

Devilish, you don't live in George Eustace's constituency by any chance?

No.

Sorry that was blunt - I was about to load the dishwasher & start work, but no

I see my Tory MP (who kept hold of his seat by a whisker) is under police investigation for election expenses. A by-election here would be very interesting. :hopeful:

My MP is Jeremy Hunt, who seems to be Teflon-coated no matter what he does.

I only ask because George Eustace has his seat in Cornwall and he's a classic example of "Turkeys voting for Christmas" syndrome.

What on earth possessed Cameron to appoint a farming minister who goes around telling farmers they'll be better off without the EU and that if we leave the UK will maintain their massive subsidies from domestic funds? He can't promise that!!!

I think we all need to ask ourselves how did the EU, which started out as a trading bloc end up as such a massive political force, now with its own flag and demanding its own army. Who decided this, why? and where is it going to end up?

The only answer for me is that it’s the elite, they’ve created it for themselves and everything that’s done in the EU is for the benefit of a select few. Also, if you don’t know about TTIP, get educated.

Lastly, if you believe in democracy, vote leave

Nobody will take the UK seriously if we leave the EU. One of the reasons the UK government realised it needed to join th EU in the first place was because it realised after the Suez crisis that it no longer had sufficient international political clout by itself. And that was in the 1950s, much closer to the time of the British Empire. How much less significance would we have now?

I agree with you. I find the lack of scepticism about the Leave claims a bit staggering really.

Oh that was to muffin - who I am shuddering for having Hunt as an MP.

"Please enlighten me as to how leaving the EU will save the NHS from privatisation as the opposite seems the case to me"

TTIP.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/22/ttip-deal-real-serious-risk-nhs-leading-qc

"Nobody will take the UK seriously if we leave the EU. One of the reasons the UK government realised it needed to join th EU in the first place was because it realised after the Suez crisis that it no longer had sufficient international political clout by itself"

The was no EU in the 1950s.