How will you vote in the EU referendum-Leave or Stay?

[BritBrit]

How will you be voting? Can admin add a poll?

A pound to a pfenig they are all in the comfortable middle class bracket, nice house, landrover in the forecourt and room for a pony. All they can see is the money, nothing else, just the money.

Sorry, but this is nonsense.

I am a 30 year old higher rate taxpayer still struggling to get on the property ladder because I've been priced out by the baby boomer generation. My friends (most of whom are in the same position) are all voting to remain, because our good jobs are just about the only thing we have going for us, and Brexit could put even that at risk. My parents' baby boomer friends with fat pensions and second homes are mostly voting leave.

I don't disagree with you, Whisky. I KNOW a lot of people will be voting for uninformed reasons.

It's your use of the word 'Luckily' I was specifically commenting on. I find it saddening and frightening that such a big decision will be made (by some voters, not all, obviously) from this position. That's all I mean.

Gosh, I'm middle class with a 4 x4 and a pony.

And I have been in the Leave camp for years

Some of the most unimformed I've come across have been on the remain side.

I could list the things that some of the unimformed remain posters don't understand, but it would take all day. However, off top of my head I've seen confusion over ECJ and ECHR; NATO and EU; commission and parliament; ability to raise taxes and hilariously the suggestion that the TTip in secret has been being improved in secret for the last three years!

It's impossible to debate with some of the more uninformed on the stay side on these threads and I can only guess they are there to disrupt as they spectacularly misunderstand multiple posters.

Leave, I'm not interested in getting into an argument about which side is more uninformed.

Yes Look, "Luckily" was the wrong word. I agree.

If we are citing anecdotal evidence, the only two people I know who are voting 'Remain' are bankers, and they are doing it for entirely self-serving reasons (which they've admitted to).

No argument - you say you know a lot of people are voting for uninformed reasons. Personally I don't.

However the unimformed I've come across have been on these threads. I do hope they inform themselves or at least admit it to themselves. They don't really understand how the EU works but going with gut instinct to remain would be a more honest position.

However, some uninformed people on these threads argue about facts - which can be checked,on EU own website and papers - but there appears to be a suspicion that these are "biased' by some on the remain side because the facts back up what leave voters say. Now that is choosing to stay unimformed, which is their perogorative - but not in a position to claim a moral high ground - (not referring to you - I am speaking generally ).

fourmummy you say that as though "self-serving" and "good for the country" are mutually exclusive.

You could say my friends and I are being "self-serving" for voting remain because we value our job security. But how will it benefit the country as a whole if jobs are lost?

Having a strong economy is in everyone's interest. On this, the "self-serving" motives of individuals and the best outcome for the country are aligned.

Don't forget that one of the most vocal Remainers is working very hard studying for her masters in EU law. She's doing all she can to stop the door to her glittering career being sharply slammed in her face as the EU gravy train disappears over the horizon (or maybe cliff would be a better metaphor).

In terms of this thread, I'm sorry but the conspiracy theory stuff posted early was very much tinfoil hat territory. People can believe what they like, it doesn't give it equal validation.

I find it hard to believe that people think the remain side are sneery, especially when you look at the comments that have been directed towards me: " Put down the glass and go travelling." was one last night. There have been several instances of other posters being abused/mocked too.

The economic argument has been won really, when the overwhelming amount of evidence comes out in favour of remain (and it has) the battle was lost. People can shout vested interests all they like but all of the organisations that have come out with these researched verdicts have very different objectives and are very differently run.

The argument is coming back toward immigration, and was focused that was yesterday by Boris of whose 5 questions , 3 were based around immigration.

Lets be honest its the reason we are having the referendum in the first place.

Most (if not all to be honest) of the people I know are voting to leave.

Most are working class origins, some have gone on to be high earners, most are middle earners, some are low earners.
I have a mix of graduate friends and those who left school at the earliest opportunity.
They are a mix of UKIPers, SNP, Tory & Labour - also straight, gay, and a mix of races.

I cannot think of a single person who has stated an intention to vote Remain, or who has made points in favour of remaining.

For the most part, the people I know in RL are concerned about uncontrolled immigration from the poorer EU countries and also the increasing erosion of our own control.
They seem to agree that the EU is too big & unwieldy and that what suits one country is not good for all.
They seem to all think it is undemocratic.

I have a feeling that the actual vote will be to remain, but only because it is a natural instinct to 'stick with what you know'.

I am increasingly convinced that Leave is the best option for the UK.

I don't understand anyone being happy with the level of secrecy surrounding EU secrecy of Ttip and believe that this is a democracy.

Me neither. The Remainers would prefer to put their fingers in their ears and ignore it..

Most trade agreements are conducted in secrecy.

Did you not see that the American side of the TTIP agreement are finidning it difficult to negoitate down the EU stance on regulation. That the ISDS clause will be exactly like the one in the CETA deal?

Finally that it is likely to be vetoed, but the French, when our politicians including your Brexit campaign leaders Boris and Gove would have signed up to it.

I too have had sneery, hostile and verging on defamatory comments directed at me. Including saying I'd made no valid contributions and claiming that I called a poster mentally impaired. I've had a cartoon image posted about me. I've been accused of being part of a 'Team' of posters.

I'm still following this thread sporadically because I'm interested in the topic, but some of the actual content of it I find very hard indeed to stomach, much less take seriously.

The Remainers say we will get a worse (!) deal if we Leave.

I doubt it.

If it was our country negotiating trade agreements then we would be able to protest against our own government

The UK is at the negotiating table, there is nothing stopping you from lobbying the Tories. Fear of public opinion is pushing France to block TTIP, and the UK could do the same if British people got involved.

Have you taken part in one of the hundreds of anti-TTIP demonstrations, or signed the European Citizens' Initiative that gathered 3+million signatures in under a year?

There are things you can do.

I find it frustrating when people complain about lack of democracy in the EU, while at the same time not taking advantage of the opportunities they do have of making their voices heard - starting with elections, but not only that.

Don't forget that one of the most vocal Remainers is working very hard studying for her masters in EU law.

I find the time of your posts very nasty, to be honest.

If you must know, I am doing my masters degree as an insurance policy in case I need to go and work in my boyfriend's home country. I don't need it to do my job here. And if we vote to stay in, he will most likely come and live with me here because it makes more sense for me to stay in my current job. The masters degree is something I will only ever need if I emigrate. But nice try.

It does mean that I know more about what the EU actually is and his it works than most other people, but on this board it seems the informed views of someone with demonstrable knowledge in the subject counts for a lot less than "We need to control our borders! We're the world's 5th largest economy, we can do what we want! All remain voters are voting due to self-interest, don't listen to them! You're voting for Cameron, hahahaha! Groucho Marx, hahahaha!"

Excuse the typos. We need an edit button as well as a wider range of "wtf face" emojis.

You're doing a Masters as an insurance policy?

No where, ever, needs more emojis.

Have you taken part in one of the hundreds of anti-TTIP demonstrations, or signed the European Citizens' Initiative that gathered 3+million signatures in under a year?

I'm one of the 3 million.

Yes Snow, because in my boyfriend's country you need a masters degree to practise as a lawyer. In the UK you don't need one.

I don't understand anyone being happy with the level of secrecy surrounding EU secrecy of Ttip and believe that this is a democracy.

Hear hear.

"I find it frustrating when people complain about lack of democracy in the EU, while at the same time not taking advantage of the opportunities they do have of making their voices heard"

Having your voice heard cannot be compared to democracy, or the lack of it.