Lurked
On other threads you have discussed the possibility of UK trade deals with the EU being exactly as it is now, yet without the costs, which it has been pointed out that the EU have already said will not happen. Yet you repeat it time and time again,and cover it with the phrase "Trade with the EU yes, ruled by them no" which again misrepresents the way the EU works and makes an appeal to emotion. You have frequently also made appeals to history.
Trade wise, nobody knows what will happen after brexit.
The idea that all trade with the UK will stop is also nonsense. Too many counterparties would be adversely affected by that. So we may have to pay to access the EU but that's the price to pay for trade. It's the other bells and whistles we don't need or want i.e. open borders, laws made in EU, court in EU, EU army on our streets, undemocratic rule.
We already freely trade with counties all over the world.
Many smaller counties in the world trade globally but don't need to be in the EU.
Do you think the USA, Australia or Japan would give up their sovereignty and allow freedom of movement to trade with the EU?
The EU does not have a free trade agreement with the US , Canada, most of South America, most of Africa, China etc.
For anyone to have a look at just how little of the world the EU has a free trade agreement with have a look at this image:
trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2012/june/tradoc_149622
The EU's global free trade arrangements are very few. The way remainers pitch it one would be under the illusion that the EU is some form of global trading god. it is not. It's a customs union that has a few agreements elsewhere in the world.
Many counties (smaller than us) in the world trade with each other freely with no trade agreements.
Counties trade with each other when one country has a commodity or service it wants or needs from another irrespective of free trade agreements.
Osbourne's document stating we will be worse of in 14 years times is just laughable. How on earth can he see 14 years into the future. The odds are nearer even. In 14 years there is just as much chance we'll be better or worse off or just the same.
As time progresses, we sell less to the EU and more to the other continents. From the EU website "Over the next ten to 15 years, 90% of world demand will be generated outside Europe"
Why be shackled to a shrinking violet?
In terms of being ruled by the EU, I have made my point I do not want to be ruled by disinterested Eurocrats I cannot directly vote for or vote out. At least I can do that here the UK. Call it an emotion if you like however moving to undemocratic rule to me is regressive.
Here are some quotes by Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission:
On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
On British calls for a referendum over Lisbon Treaty
“Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?,”
On French referendum over EU constitution
“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’,”
On the introduction of the euro
"We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."
On eurozone economic policy and democracy
“We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it”
Is this the sort of person you want to be ruled by?
The EU contrary to what you say does not operate the same way as the UK Parliament. And even if it did, with a small 9.7% representation, we'll have little influence. When more counties join we'll have even less. What we'll have more of is payments to the EU to subsidise all these poor counties gagging to get handouts from the EU funded by the UK taxpayer.
No thanks.