*scratches head* Why is the Remain campaign so rattled?

[TheABC]

I genuinely don't get it. They have already spent £9 million on leaflets, wheeled out everyone from the IMF to the American President and the telephone polls are putting them in the lead. Admittedly, the campaign feels a bit "meh" in that they are talking about potential losses instead of positive future plans, but they still seem to be doing OK.

So why does it feel like they are panicking? Could it just be the way it's reported?

The opportunity we are getting.

I know hilda, I've seen you on a couple of threads. I was more pointing out the media bias (the BBC and sky are both keen on running the uk down) and expressing frustration of these views. Sorry if I offended you.

I'm a veteran of the cologne threads amongst others and any concerns are shot down with the thicko or racist comments.

Most people I know are planning to vote to stay. Mostly younger to 40/50s, in education, academia and other professions.

Only know a handful of ones citing to leave - mostly much older people. They arguments to leave don't make much sense when they've tried to convince me though - can come across quite negative in many ways and not appealing!

That's interesting Equiem89.......We are always told by the media that we are definitely the ones holding everything up in the EU.

They arguments to leave don't make much sense when they've tried to convince me though - can come across quite negative in many ways and not appealing!

Pollyanna-type positivity about the EU isn't very convincing either IMHO. It's not the promised land by any means.

Most people I know express no opinion either way & probably won't even vote. Of those that mention an opinion so far, overwhelmingly => Remain.

I predict Result = 55% Remain & 45% Leave.

I'm voting to stay in the EU, but haven't actually taken much notice of either campaign. From what I have seen, I haven't noticed the Remain campaign panicking, but I think the result is more than likely going to be in their favour anyway.
I don't personally know anyone who is voting to leave. Although FIL misheard me when talking about it recently and thought I said I was voting to leave, his eyes almost popped out his head.

I don't think that's true, Manatee - of course the UK has now officially rejected ever closer union, and I think even the French and German eurocrats have realised they're onto a loser there as there are no European populations who want that.

Have you read the Five Presidents' Report?

Laughing at media bias here.. the remain crowd aren't rattled. They have all the facts, the brexiters are the ones that shout about immigration and other stories then accuse others of campaignsomething of fear. Highly hypocritical

the brexiters are the ones that...

Generalising much?

Well of course.. sweepingly

Did anyone else watch Newsnight yesterday? ( I know I hardly watch it these days but heard David Owen was to be on.)

The presenter is a Bremainer I think! Very different attitudes to Pascal Lamy and Owen.

I have been helping canvass in my local area, if I was them I would be in a panic too.

I think a lot of people will vote remain on the day. In the end the brexit crowd rely on hyperbole and misinformation to make thier points, and have no real economic policy.

It's my fervent hope that most people can see that.

I think it'll end up being 'remain' on the day too - more because people tend to be cautious with things like this, and no one seems to know what will happen if we leave.

Similar to the Scottish referendum I suppose - the majority of people don't trust any politicians, so err on the side of caution, and stick with the status quo.

It will take some imagination and effort to create the UK we want after breaking free of Brussels. It's easier to sit back and be told what to do, I suppose.

Fantastic argument there. It's actually far harder to do research and come to conclusions rather than based your arguments on hyperbole and partisan sources.

EU should 'interfere' less - Commission boss Juncker

Juncker has now said that the EU should interfere less I'm not convinced he really thinks that, as it's too much of a coincidence with the UK's referendum in just over 2 months time. And of course Juncker hasn't always been straightforward in the past.

Quotes from Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the EU Commission
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker

"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'."

"I am astonished at those who are afraid of the people: one can always explain that what is in the interest of Europe is in the interests of our countries."

"Britain is different. Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?"

"There is a single legal personality for the EU, the primacy of European law, a new architecture for foreign and security policy, there is an enormous extension in the fields of the EU's powers"

"Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup [...] I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious [...] I am for secret, dark debates."

"We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."

"When it becomes serious, you have to lie."

"There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties"

Scaremongering!

Sorry just thought I'd do that to point out that the brexit side play the scare tactic a lot.

The monetary policy quote doesn't effect us btw, we're not in the euro.

Is calling "Scaremongerin!" scaremongering?![ grin]

Let adults make their own minds up.

You said sorry while I was trying and failing to post..I feel a conspiracy theory coming on about you Iurked. Lol

Oh yes do tell?

The monetary policy quote doesn't effect us btw, we're not in the euro.

Yes, and I'm sure you know the consistent theme of the quotes was an honesty deficit, whether or not we're affected by that particular policy. Didn't you notice the secrecy and insufficient democracy that were the reason that quote was on the list?

But I'm sure there are lots of positive quotes out there.

You pull stuff out context too.
How bout you tell us about your economic plan, that is feasible and not just we will impose a trade deal.

How about you tell us about the brexit side wilfully manipulating facts, 55 UK votes unsuccessful = 1. 4 % or so of all votes since 1996, about the size and importance of the EU in trade terms etc.