*scratches head* Why is the Remain campaign so rattled?

[TheABC]

I genuinely don't get it. They have already spent £9 million on leaflets, wheeled out everyone from the IMF to the American President and the telephone polls are putting them in the lead. Admittedly, the campaign feels a bit "meh" in that they are talking about potential losses instead of positive future plans, but they still seem to be doing OK.

So why does it feel like they are panicking? Could it just be the way it's reported?

"And the geo-politics of the EU are really the geo-politics of the US."

Tin foil hat time methinks.

I agree, its our fault Cameron is a spineless leader. I didnt say it was the EU's fault. It is the fault of those who voted for him in the last election (I didnt) and the unfair voting system. Electoral reform is badly needed.

Well there's one thing we agree on, at least!

I agree, its our fault Cameron is a spineless leader. I didn't say it was the EU's fault. It is the fault of those who voted for him in the last election (I didn't) and the unfair voting system. Electoral reform is badly needed.

I had long talks with some of my friends before the last election. Some of them are natural Tories, some were paid up party members. They distrusted Cameron and would not normally be considering voting for him but did so only because he promised them a referendum Having secured that referendum, they will never vote for him again.

They feel very cheated at what they thought would be a fair referendum has been corrupted by £9M Government mailshots for REMAIN and the misuse of public resources to promote remaining in the EU.

Cameron will not be forgiven for this.

They won't need to vote for him again because he announced his resignation some time ago.

It is expected that he will hand over the chalice to one of the other millionaire old Etonians, to ensure that nobody with an understanding of the ordinary citizens interferes with Tory ideology.

It is expected that he will hand over the chalice to one of the other millionaire old Etonians

Probably. We'll have to just get on with it. But in four years time or less there will be a general election

Cameron will not be forgiven for this.

Erm, what?

They voted for him because he promised a referendum. He has given them their precious referendum.

He never promised to support a "leave" vote. He would never have supported a "leave" vote, because leaving the EU would be a bloody stupid thing to do.

It is the "remain" voters who would be entirely justified in never forgiving Cameron for the way in which he has recklessly gambled with the country's future by putting such an important decision in the hands of people who quite plainly do not understand the implications of Brexit. All for the sake of getting a few more votes for the Tories in a general election. Well played, Cameron. You idiot.

Cameron, echoed by Osborne, said repeatedly during 2015 and early 2016 that he would "rule nothing out" when it came to the EU, if he didn't succeed in achieving reform.

For example on 3 Feb this year "Let me say again, if we can’t secure these changes I rule nothing out.”

Seven times Cameron and Osborne suggested they might vote Leave

"It was a clear message that if the Government’s demands weren’t met, they were willing to back Leaving the EU. (Of course, they weren’t in fact met – even the limited manifesto commitments made a year ago were far tougher than the eventual deal which was delivered.)

But leave the eventual deal aside for a moment. What were Cameron and Osborne saying in all those quotes listed above? That if the EU didn’t agree to some small changes on welfare rules, they would be willing to consider leaving.

Surely they would never have done so over a relatively small issue if the reality of Brexit was as disastrous as they now suggest? Nothing has changed to suddenly make Leaving a drastically worse prospect than it was a few months ago – their past comments make today’s claims ring hollow."

Come on, it was all bluff. It's quite sweet that you think he ever actually considered the possibility of supporting a Brexit vote.

Rule nothing out?

So do they didn't rule out recommending that UK remains in the EU.

Did somebody make the mistake of thinking that "rule nothing out" is a promise to do something?

I don't know, Piglet. I think he pretty much ruled out the possibility of supporting Brexit on the grounds that it would be totally stupid. That's why he pitched his "demands" so low. If he'd asked for anything major and they'd said no, he would have found it very difficult to recommend that we vote remain.

Did somebody make the mistake of thinking that "rule nothing out" is a promise to do something?

No.

Come on, it was all bluff

LOL