*scratches head* Why is the Remain campaign so rattled?

[TheABC]

I genuinely don't get it. They have already spent £9 million on leaflets, wheeled out everyone from the IMF to the American President and the telephone polls are putting them in the lead. Admittedly, the campaign feels a bit "meh" in that they are talking about potential losses instead of positive future plans, but they still seem to be doing OK.

So why does it feel like they are panicking? Could it just be the way it's reported?

I also think if there was to be a reverse in agreements then there would be a case for another referendum.

On limiting immigration? I don't think we can and remain in the EU unless we agree to limits on newly accessed countries for a number of years

I think we will also struggle to negotiate a trade deal without freedom of movement.

Who is funding the brexit campaign?

Vote Leave will get £700,000 from the Govt. anything else is voluntarily donated by its supporters

www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/campaign

But you've listed Goldman Sachs as funding remain.. who are the donors of vote leave?

I also think if there was to be a reverse in agreements then there would be a case for another referendum.

This is what really frightens me - a population that has been politicised by the referendum finding out it had been lied to. I cannot adequately express to you the anger there is in the streets with Cameron, not just from the Left but from his own natural constituents. People express time and time their utter distrust of Cameron, some are even concerned their votes will 'go missing'. That's not an exaggeration - that's what we are being told. If they think he lied to them the situation could turn nasty. I think Cameron is playing with fire.

On limiting immigration? I don't think we can and remain in the EU unless we agree to limits on newly accessed countries for a number of years

If we are permitted to. If that ability is not removed from us.

I think we will also struggle to negotiate a trade deal without freedom of movement.

So do I, but I do think it's possible. But not under a Government by Cameron or Bozo the Clown.

On limiting immigration? I don't think we can and remain in the EU unless we agree to limits on newly accessed countries for a number of years

If only the last Labour government had had your foresight. I might still be in the Remain camp, were that the case.

What limits would you suggest, and for how many years?

Probably something similar to Germany between 04 and 07 with the EU 8 although we don't have the excuse of the huge cost of East Germany that they did at the time.

I think Cameron is playing with fire.

100% agree. He counted on all his true blue supporters who'd vote Tory come hell or high water. I don't think he realised that most of the electorate think that this referendum is far more important than a general election, it's beyond party politics. The grassroots Tories have waited a long time for this.

Oh dear. Just who should I believe? Joshua Rozenberg , a Guardian legal expert or the vice-president of the European Parliament. ?

There you go making assumptions & shooting the messenger (The Guardian) rather than the message. Joshua Rosenberg works freelance & writes regular columns for the Law Gazette. Until 2008 he was the Legal Affairs Editor at the Telegraph.

If you actually take off the rose tinted glasses for a moment & read his article you would see the government was relying on the opinion a "hugely" experienced EU law practitioner & analysis from a professor of law all referenced.

There is also a link to Full Fact which sums up "Parts of the deal, concerning the details of the changes to free movement law and Treaty amendments, still have to be implemented separately."

fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-it-legally-binding/

This article lists the Vote Leave backers www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11920590/Tory-donors-business-leaders-and-senior-politicians-back-campaign-to-leave-EU.html

How many people would that be in real terms I.e the Germany 04 -07 thing you mentioned? How could we limit its EU migration to that sort of manageable figure?

Reunification was quite a leap of trust.

Vote Leave will get £700,000 from the Govt. anything else is voluntarily donated by its supporters

Strictly speaking in addition to public funds Vote Leave will given a free mailshot to every household in the UK, make TV broadcasts & be allowed to spend up to £7m of money it has raised.

Dominic Raab thinks differently

www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/raab_european_court_free_not_to_enforce_the_british_deal

Spring even linking to that article in the guardian has balance than linking to vote leave.

Interestingly Rabb also thinks we may need visas to go to the EU in future. Im not sure where that leaves the free trade deal.

But neither Dominic Raab or Graf Lambsburg are EU law experts.

Again I'd like to ask for some pro brexit economic analysis detailing what kind of deal it would be based on.

Why is the Brexit campaign so rattled ?
Maybe because the US President - and his probable successor - have clearly said the US won't do what the Brexiters claim they will

Maybe because the US President - and his probable successor - have clearly said the US won't do what the Brexiters claim they will

They're saying that at this stage, to try to persuade us. But after a Brexit they may soften that message and deal with the new situation.

What sweet optimism, based on nothing but hope and flying in the face of all the evidence.

Maybe Farage is in a better position to give the US position than the President is.

But I think not.

Why would the UK be a priority for the US? The UK is a market of about 60 million, the EU is a market of about 700 million.

Why hurry to negotiate with the UK when France and Ireland are right next door?

Of course a UK that has just left the EU would really neeeeed a trade deal with the US, so there might be an incentive to put something together quickly that worked very much in favour of the US.

TTIP on steroids maybe.

Totally agree merrymouse. Ireland went from bust, to out of recession quicker than UK and now is back into 12 richest countries in the world. Massively benefits from EU membership and relationship with USA. Tends to have higher educated English speaking workers USA will continue with that relationship and likely an independent Scotland

Totally agree merrymouse. Ireland went from bust, to out of recession quicker than UK and now is back into 12 richest countries in the world. Massively benefits from EU membership and relationship with USA. Tends to have higher educated English speaking workers USA will continue with that relationship and likely an independent Scotland

Of course a UK that has just left the EU would really neeeeed a trade deal with the US, so there might be an incentive to put something together quickly that worked very much in favour of the US.

TTIP on steroids maybe

That's also the only option I can see for a quick UK/US deal. Tory Britain has been the most vocal advocate of the worst aspects of TTIP in EU negotiations, so it would make sense.

Not clear it would even happen though, because the US presidential race is taking on an increasingly protectionist tone. Trump's populist platform is based on the promise of protecting US workers by reducing imports and foreign competition, and on the left Sanders is also staunchly opposed to free trade. This is proving a really popular position electorally, and Hilary is having to take some of it on board. She is starting to criticise TTIP more and more.

With or without a US trade deal anyway, it's pretty clear to me that the only economic option for post-Brexit Britain would be to boost its international competitivity by becoming an extreme free-trade, deregulated country, with all the accompanying negative effects in terms of rights, safety and pay.

Definitely with no doubt whatsoever LEAVE.

I did start a Thread " In out shake it all about,the EU what to vote.
The Thread is full but still accessible.

I posted loads of information and my views.

Feel free to have a look.

Plus I was invited to start another Thread entitled "The EU Referendum is nearly upon us .....23 rd of June.

There also I put my case backed by many newspaper articles ranging from the Daily Mail through to The Shetland Times to the Guardian.Plus the Business case to leave The Economic case to leave etcetera, etcetera,loads of information.

Articles by women who wish to leave.Such as Suzanne Moore writing in the Guardian and Priti Patel the Minister of State for employment and Cabinet Minister.

As a mum and along with my husband who is an Economist we are very very happy to vote Leave.

I have contributed extensively to these Threads and therefore will not be posting more.

Do please have a look at them.

I am in the happy position of total confidence in my choice to vote Leave along with my husband,family,pals and acquaintances.