*scratches head* Why is the Remain campaign so rattled?

[TheABC]

I genuinely don't get it. They have already spent £9 million on leaflets, wheeled out everyone from the IMF to the American President and the telephone polls are putting them in the lead. Admittedly, the campaign feels a bit "meh" in that they are talking about potential losses instead of positive future plans, but they still seem to be doing OK.

So why does it feel like they are panicking? Could it just be the way it's reported?

Who said the UK tax payers would?

Who will?

The majority of building in the UK is done by the private sector, it's one of the reasons we have under provided housing for about 30 years. EU Immigration isn't as big a determinant of demand as you think it is.

^The majority of building in the UK is done by the private sector, it's one of the reasons we have under provided housing for about 30 years. EU Immigration isn't as big a determinant of demand as you think it is.*

But they have to live somewhere

Given that the large amount of deposit needed to buy these new speculatively built houses will be impossible for many, if not most, EU citizens from the poorer countries to buy, it would seem these homes will be bought to rent out.

Great for buy to let landlords, not so good for the Housing Benefit budget.

Excellent post RosT.

I agree about the "little England" jibes, they have no foundation. We don't refer to "little Norway" or "little Switzerland" just because they're not in the EU!

You could just as easily say that as the EU is so inward looking, it's a "little EU".

But spring the majority of EU immigrants don't get housing benefit. Only 14 percent get tax credits.

because the back of the fag packet economics of the brexit campaign never takes into consideration the effect of the other side negotiating and their interests.

George Osborne's recent calculations were way off, weren't they?

Well probably the long term ones were probably out. But yeah short term ones are more likely to ensure accurate.

Where are the brexit ones?

We don't know how much they get in benefits Lurked because Camerin has refused to release the figures

Full Facts complained about it

fullfact.org/blog/2015/nov/migrants-and-benefits-system-lets-see-evidence/

Jonathan Portes has been complaining about it too

www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/migrants-benefits-dwp-give-us-some-answers

Without the official data it's impossible to state whether they are a burden or a blessing.

But you can say what percentage got tax credits, which would then indicate an amount on HB.

You also realise that both of those sources think that DC used data that was too high?

*Where are the BREXIT ones?'
www.thecommentator.com/article/3983/britain_really_would_be_better_off_out_of_the_eu

The EU doesn't tend to fund many academics who speak out against it.

The only solid figure I remember seeing is the £350million that Farage made up, which we know to be untrue, but they keep bashing out anyway. Presumably it is believed by people who are uncritical of numbers or don't care about truth.

But you can say what percentage got tax credits, which would then indicate an amount on HB.

No. There is no correlation between tax credits and housing benefit - or Local Housing Allowance as we should accurately call it

Many people qualify for housing benefit without qualifying for tax credits.

Lurked and other Bremainers - would you put a limit on yearly EU migration to the UK? In 2015 there were approx a third of a million EU migrants. Is that number about right? Not enough? How many would be enough?

You also realise that both of those sources think that DC used data that was too high?

Tough. They're on the record. He said it. We must trust Dave

Hahaha

Does anyone believe that the Flounce Out campaigners are going to start believing Dave?

There weren't any third of a million eu migrants, net migration was a third of a million and EU around 45 percent of that.

Hahaha

Does anyone believe that the Flounce Out campaigners are going to start believing Dave?

Nah, we're kidding. We just find it hilarious that the REMAIN team believe his recommendations and are going to vote for them

What's your top limit then Lurked?

Alexander Graf Lambsdorff, vice-president of the European Parliament, would disagree lurked. He's said the deal isn't legally binding. "At the moment, the whole thing is nothing more than a deal that has been hammered out down the local bazaar".

Alexander Graf would be correct under EU law but the main part of Cameron's deal was made under international law. Joshua Rozenberg explains here;

www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/feb/24/david-cameron-eu-deal-legally-binding-michael-gove-analysis-joshua-rozenberg

There weren't any third of a million eu migrants, net migration was a third of a million and EU around 45 percent of that.

You are not suggesting that Dodgy Dave lied to us

But he's definitely not lying when he says that him and his mates the big banks, big corporations, hedge funds and Goldman Sachs (who bare funding his campaign) and that nice Mr Blair all say we are safer, stringer and better under Angela's control.

Those figures are hardly well sourced. For a start to trade with the EU we would have to enforce a lot of their regulations anyway, he also advocates the signing of a deal with the usa which we've been told by the current incumbent and likely future one wouldn't be swiftly completed. It also assumes that we would keep the same access to the single market.

When did Cameron say that was the EU figure?

Alexander Graf Lambsdorff, vice-president of the European Parliament, would disagree lurked. He's said the deal isn't legally binding. "At the moment, the whole thing is nothing more than a deal that has been hammered out down the local bazaar".

Alexander Graf would be correct under EU law but the main part of Cameron's deal was made under international law. Joshua Rozenberg explains here;

Oh dear. Just who should I believe? Joshua Rozenberg , a Guardian legal expert or the vice-president of the European Parliament. ?

Didn't Denmark think they also had a water-tight agreement with the EU Ives housing? only to have that overturned by the EU?

And that's when the real fun starts. If Dave does succeed in pulling the wool over enough people's eyes to stay in and the ECJ over-rule one of his cast-iron guarantees - the ones that persuaded those people to stay in the EU.

They won't wait 40 years to exact their revenge for that deception.

Who is funding the brexit campaign?