The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

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You are wickedly ignoring blatant facts.
In the EU we have no say on our borders ,we are helpless.
I question your motives and who you really are? to want to " hide" facts.
Mums are not daft.
We have read and seen.
Do not insult mums,it is beneath contempt.

Um when did I do that?

You hide in the mums argument when you can't come up with anything else, its beneath contempt and you've been told before on here that you do not speak for "mums"

Are you blaiming the increase in crime on the EU?

I don't want to live in an insular, xenophobic country.

Do you think all the other countries outside the EU are "insular and xenophobic"? Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and every non-European country?

The choice isn't between the EU and "little England" IMO, it's between the UK and an inward-looking "little Europe".

you have misconstrued the data to make your point seem valid

Was that message meant for George Osborne?

David Owen in why Leaving is the only option to save our precious NHS
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/658517/EU-referendum-Brexit-NHS-Labour-Lord-Owen-Jeremy-Hunt
Have a quick read mums.
My children are " strapped" to a jigsaw " so I can be on here with Dad helping them ,so I know it's hard to find time........

Lurked
Chalalala invited me to start this Thread
I was asked as a mum to start this Thread,I have never hidden that the fact that as a mum and a protective mum at that,(like most mums in fact) I feel that our best most positive most enlightened decision is to vote LEAVE on the 23rd of June.

A4 Document post 12 32 42 today.
Exactly, well said.

It is indeed the EU that is insular and stultifying .
I am for positive outward looking horizons.
The EU needs us more than we need them regards Trade there is a Trade deficit.
We on leaving will of course Trade with the EU and be friends but will be free to Trade with the big markets of India,Asia and China.
We will flourish.
Voting out is a positive thing to do.

Stop repeating the trade deficit stuff, I'm sure your economist husband can tell you why its not correct.

Let me repeat 15% of EU exports come to the UK, 44% of UK exports go to the EU, 40% if we take off all of the exports to the Netherlands to make up for the Antrwerp/Rotterdam effect.

Of course we will trade with all of these countries, but on much reduced terms as we do not have the bargaining power of the EU. Just look at what Obama, Cameron, the EU leaders have said regarding this. Unless you think they are doing it for some dark nefarious reason (tin foil hats on) then you can't possibly argue that its not in our best interest to remain.

Your back of the fag packet economics really won't work.

Just stuffed bacon and eggs cooked by hubby.
Interesting article by Priti Patel on why it's best to leave the EU
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3456595/LET-S-Employment-Minister-Priti-Patel-says-quitting-Europe-make-Britain-stronger.html

Lurked
Stop getting desperate.
My husband is confident and does lovely bacon and egg too!

There is a pay wall on many papers hence the article here from a free paper
It speaks of our Trade deficit and how the EU will be clamouring to Trade with us on Leaving the EU.
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/651881/Britain-EU-trade-deficit-EU-referendum-Brexit

The Business case to Leave the EU
businessforbritain.org/change-or-go/
Masses of information to dip into.

And another business woman's view.
uk.businessinsider.com/reasons-why-uk-leaving-the-eu-brexit-is-a-good-idea-2015-10

Switzerland, Iceland, Norway all have to pay into the EU and, to varying degrees, abide by the EU regulations (Norway and Iceland completely, Switzerland to a lesser extent - but those that it does have would stop London operating as a major financial service centre although personally if quite like to see the UK economy less rules by the requirements of the London financial sector and the South East "bubble" ).

And BTW - interesting assumption about "Little England". On this occasion I was talking about UK, the state; I don't live in England. (And because I care about the economy, I'm resisting the petty desire to see Brexit happen despite a strong Remain vote in Scotland )

Oops - nearly forgot to add, "Speaking as a mum and wanting the best for my child" (Not that that makes my, or anyone else's, opinion any more relevant - it's the quality of argument not whether it not you have procreated that matters).

Mumsnet, despite its name, is not just for mums; there are all sorts of different people who use this site

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Mr Obama does not impress my Economist husband and Mr Cameron certainly does not. For Mr Obama to say we have a special relationship with America and then bullyingly say "if you don't stay in the E U you will be at the back of the queue for America to trade with "is utterly contemptible.
It is also a blatant falsehood.
No true so called "friend "would ever say that.
This is tantamount to the school bully ( Mr Cameron losing control and calling in a worse bully( Mr Obama) to help bully.
The British people can see through this coercion and frankly do not take kindly to it.
I have conversed with many many Americans who say " get the hell out while you can" (Again I apologise for that swearing).
The ordinary people here know what's what and will vote accordingly.
In my case it will be a vote for an outward looking future including Europe but encompassing the world.
Not an inward looking navel gazing EU.
For the future of this country and our family my husband and I will vote to Leave.

Economists for Britain back Leaving the sclerotic,stultifying EU.
forbritain.org/economists/

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662856/video-Australia-Senator-James-Paterson-Brexit-speech-EU-referendum
Video from Australian Senate backing our bid to Leave the EU.

pretty bird
This is mumsnet,I can only speak as a mum.
At the top of the Thread I laid my case for Leave.
I was invited to start the Thread.
I have read copiously but apart from that I have eyes to see and ears to hear.
What I see from the EU is not good.
I like many will vote Leave as we look forward to an open looking world not an inward one.The EU has become inward,undemocratic,dictatorial and frankly dangerous.
Of course we will be friends with Europe Trade with Europe but be able to be in charge of our own destiny.
But importantly we will be free to strike our own Trade deals with the rest of the world.
Hard won freedoms of Democracy will be returned to these shores where they should have never left.
I implore all who know the cost of freedom and Democracy to vote for hard won freedoms on the 23rd of June this year.
Vote to Leave.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/663147/EU-referendum-Brussels-laws-Dominic-Raab-Brexit-borders
We need to be able to control our borders,it's basic common sense.We can only do that out of the EU.

Interesting quick read
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7095704/Boris-turns-Obamas-Yes-We-Can-slogan-against-him-and-urges-Brits-to-ignore-the-President-and-back-Brexit.html

Americans would never stand for what Mr Obama proposes for us ,which to be frank is a form of serfdom.
Americans are very disappointed in Mr Obamas Presidency and frankly to bring Mr Obama over here to" return a favour" to Mr Cameron is frankly pretty despicable.
Mr Obama has no real love or regard for the British people because of past dealings in his family.Mr Boris Johnson is correct on that.
The intervention in my opinion is mendacious.
However people will see through this I am sure and vote for a new horizon in the world out of but still friends and Trading with the EU.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3556224/President-Obama-arrives-Germany-fierce-protests-visit-promote-Europe-trade-deal.html
It's all about the money
Vote for freedom,vote Leave.

Serfdom?

Don't make laugh, your economist husband can think what he likes, but it doesn't back any of your points by invoking him. I'm an economist, you haven't given any convincing arguments at all, and your constant posting to partisan sources and on some occasions to others where you blatantly misinterpret the content doesn't support your argument either.

Your continual appeals to emotion demonstrate the deep flaws in your analysis and its a real sign of desperation.

If you haven't heard of TTIP
Google it.
We need to Leave the EU and escape this.

We would still need to negotiate a Trade Deal with the USA when they can get round to us and given that Cameron and the Conservative Government advocate and support many of the worst elements of TTIP as it stands (supporting corporations for loss of profits, laying the foundations for the privatisation of the NHS ), then I really fear for the sort of trade deal that we would sign 10 years down the line while in the interim SMEs have to cope with damaging tariffs