The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

I hear Marie le Pen wants to come over. She's a foreign politician with strong views on dismantling the EU.

For some reason the Flounce Out campaigners don't seem to want her. Why does the co-chairman of Vote Leave want to stifle the voice of a Right-Wing extremist just because she supports Brexit?

Is it because she doesn't want the public to see what sort of people make up the anti-EU movement?

um no, why would I have? They're really not relevant to the discussion. I only started mentioning them when you started attacking me for being foreign.

and fyi both me and my husband are highly skilled higher rate taxpayers. Exactly the sort of people you say you are so keen to have immigrate to the UK.

Having children doesn't justify your views on this in anyway. Accusing others of having an agenda doesn't either.

If Obama is controlled by big business then so is every other politician. But in reality Obama is a democrat so less likely to get funding from big business than the opposition.

Daisy, the tin foil hat suits you, keep it firmly on, you never know when those pro EU business big business might want to read your thoughts and threaten your children.

Interesting
www.optimistaboutthis.com/2016/04/12/ten-reasons-to-leave-the-eu/

if the Leave campaign know what's good for them they will stay far, far away from LePen. She and her party are an embarrassment to France, and Vote Leave, for all their faults, are better than this.

Fourmummy that was an interesting post and I'll come back to it!

At last we may get a debate on Britain's relationship with Europe (Leader, 11 January). What did the EEC/EU ever do for us? Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade; structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline; clean beaches and rivers; cleaner air; lead free petrol; restrictions on landfill dumping; a recycling culture; cheaper mobile charges; cheaper air travel; improved consumer protection and food labelling; a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives; better product safety; single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance; break up of monopolies; Europe-wide patent and copyright protection; no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market; price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone; freedom to travel, live and work across Europe; funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad; access to European health services; labour protection and enhanced social welfare; smoke-free workplaces; equal pay legislation; holiday entitlement; the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime; strongest wildlife protection in the world; improved animal welfare in food production; EU-funded research and industrial collaboration; EU representation in international forums; bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO; EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty; European arrest warrant; cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence; European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa; support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond; investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.

All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed. It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980. Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multipolar global future.

Simon Sweeney
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York

A very very good reason to LEAVE along with many.
www.cityam.com/237514/eu-referendum-former-mi6-spy-chief-richard-dearlove-says-brexit-could-make-britain-safer

The migration observatory is concerned by our membership of the EU too.
www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-concern

No it isn't that particular piece is regarding UK public opnion towards immigration, not the obervatory's own.

You can't make it fit to say the OUMO is concerned about EU membership, unless you really are dimwitted.

Democracy having been mentioned:
Between 2009-2014 1,936 motions were put before the European Union(EU) Parliament .
576 of these can be catergorised as being AGAINST United Kingdom interests .
However out of these 576 motions 485 were passed.!!!
Passed although they were AGAINST UK interests.!
That is a FAILURE rate of 84%.
We have no influence in the EU.
The argument that to stay in the EU to Influence holds no water.

Democracy again,hard won democracy.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188453/The-case-Europe-MEP-Daniel-Hannan-reveals-disturbing-contempt-democracy-heart-EU.html
This is written by an MEP who works in the EU ,he will actually be out of a job if we Leave but is happy to tell us the truth of the lack of Democracy in the EU.

Lurked
There is no need for rudeness.

No your argument holds no water because, again you have misconstrued the data to make your point seem valid, when in fact you really have to work at it to do so.

For a start, counting votes is pointless, National governments usually work hard to ensure that proposals they don't back don't make it to a vote. Studies show that when you compare the objectives of the national government and the actual outcome of EU votes/proposals the UK comes out as one of the most succesful.

Secondly, the rate of voting no has gone up since David Cameron took office, mainly because of the fact that he needs to be seen to be "standing up to the EU", when something makes it to a vote a country knows whether it will be on the losing side or not before hand, so voting against a proposal is nothing more than making a stand to show the people back home. So Cameron is more likely to vote no to show the blue rinse brigade in the shires that he is doing something.

We are still on the winning side 90% of the time, and the 55 times the UK has been outvoted make up 1.9% of all votes in the EU since 1996 (when you start recording).

Do you know what these votes were about? If so can you explain why they weren't in British interests. If not you can't just justify your argument.

One for a fact was the cap on bankers bonuses, we voted against that (big business?)

More bullying from the relentless bullying undemocratic EU
Mums should read this,it affects their children.
This is undemocratic.The EU tells us we must loosen our borders!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3542860/80-000-children-miss-choice-primary-school-Crisis-intensifies-following-baby-boom-fuelled-migration.html
This is plainly undemocratic.

Daisy, Daniel Hannan and the Daily Mail? Seriously? That mail article keeps saying 13% of children ion one area, 14% in another, what it doesn't say in 87% of school children got their first choice , becasue you know that wouldn't read as well.

The Government knew that there would be an increae in demand a good few years ago yet have done nothing about it. They have however found funding to develop free schools in areas that are under subscribed. But its easier for you to blame "Da immigants" and have done with it.

Very worrying to read.
euobserver.com/institutional/128868
This is not Democratic,"secret squirrel" law making in the EU.
We can elect a Government here and vote a Government out here in the UK but this secrecy and undemocratic behaviour in the EU is frightening.
Hence a vote for hard won Democracy and hard won Freedoms is essential.

Lurked
Once again you try to derail argument by passé slurs.

The views of a woman for a change.
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/660434/Britain-dragged-into-EU-economic-crisis-remain-referendum-brexit

A bit like Boris and Farrage then eh?

Oh and you don't ever actually argue a point, you just come here and copy and paste to things that you think works. Like the OUMO link it often doesn't, neither does the one about the Ombudsman's investigations.

Please don't accuse me of derailing the argument when you've been so accusatory towards Cha in order to derail her argument. If her being a foreign national can be made an issue I don't see why you being a dimwit can't be made one.

So why don't the views of Hillary Clinton count or Yvette Cooper, Theresa May, Amber Rudd or Anna Sourby? If your so keen to hear from women.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3411211/Violent-crime-rises-27-killings-hit-five-year-high.html
I will not risk my children's safety by being dictated by an unelected bureaucratic EU.
We need to be able to control our borders.

Lurked
Listen to Hilary Clinton etc
My husband ( an Economist ) has just spluttered his coffee.
We and all we know are confidently voting Leave on June 23 rd this year.
Do not be ridiculous.

Suzanne Moore from the Guardian Newspaper favours LEAVE the EU.
She's correct .
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/22/my-instinct-brexit-boris-anti-eu-not-anti-europe

A leaked Government Report.
There is a pay wall on other papers so here it is from a free site.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663902/Record-levels-of-mass-migration-from-Europe-damaging-UK-leaked-Government-report-says

I'm an economist too.

I'd love to see him splutter his coffee if we vote remain.

I'm not being ridiculous but you blatantly are if you think that article on crime has anything to do with the EU