The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

Oh I see your point. But apparently you're missing mine.

It's not hypocritical to recommend a federal union of states if you already are a federal union of states.

It's not hypocritical to recommend a federal union of states if you already are a federal union of states

It is hypocritical for the Head of State of a federal union to tell another country that it should submit itself to a higher governing power. He isn't subjected to a higher governing power yet he is telling us that we should be.

What he is recommending to us, is not what he enjoys.

President Junckers wants an EU army. Now why would a trading community need that? Answer - EU superstate

Quite. Why, otherwise, would a trading community insist on having its own army, anthem, motto, flag, freedom of movement, currency, parliament, law that supercedes the member states' law, and a civil feast day (Europe Day, 9th May)?

The EU getting some practise in:

www.africa-eu-partnership.org/en/about-us/financing-partnership

Funded by your tax.

This is something the EU - as a 'trading organisation' - should not be involved in.

But it is just masquerading as a trading organisation. It's about Empire-building.

A German-dominated EU with t's own Army and trained African troops.

Paid for by you.

That should worry you.

It worries me.

" If we are consistently out voted...."

But as we are not, it doesn't apply.

Wouldn't a better example to use be Canada, US, Bolivia, Mexico, etc. entering a union, with seat of power in Chile, and DC flying over to tell US not to vote out, otherwise no trade deal?

A short article illuminating in précis form why American Leaders haven't always got our best interests at heart.
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3555820/PETER-HITCHENS-America-isn-t-special-friend-ruined-Navy-Empire-future.html
Mr Obama as said before is the "tool" of big business,when a greenhorn idealistic new President he wanted an NHS for America,big business didn't allow it,he was labelled a communist.But business won, the American people have no NHS .
Again American and EU big business are pulling the strings to try and keep us in the EU for our money and to privatise the NHS,£ billions to be made.
My advice vote LEAVE to scupper their evil game.
My Economist husband can't wait to vote Leave along with my whole family and neighbours and pals.

Met a lovely young electrical engineer student yesterday,whos turning 18 years just in time to vote.

He is voting to Leave, having read,listened and thought hard,comes from a military family( he is joining the Senior Service the Royal Navy).

The student wants Britain to be free and thrive ,be friends and Trade with the EU but open up opportunities with other continents without being held back by the EU.

Plus he certainly does Not want an EU Army.

He impressed me so much with his clear sightedness,vision and optimism.
And of course he is correct.

Voting to Leave is the only common sense thing to do.

that'd be an interesting example fourmummy, except that the economic scales are wrong. It would have to be a world in which the UK is more than five times the population and GDP of the US, and in which the US is building its exit strategy on the inaccurate assumption that the UK will be happy to strike a quick favourable trade deal with them.

An article on how it would be a Leap into the Light to LEAVE the EU.

www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/the-eu-and-innovation

Very interesting the Swedes will Leave if we do,we in Britain are becoming the liberators,the pioneers.The forward thinkers.
Liberty is at hand don't squander it ,vote out of the EU dysfunctional disintegrating madness.
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/swedes-tell-britain-if-you-leave-the-eu-well-follow/

LOL

Obama has given the biggest boost to the LEAVE campaign so for.

Interesting that this is the perception of Leave campaigners on the ground, because the betting agencies are saying since Obama arrived they've seen the biggest shift of the campaign so far, and it's in favour of "in". And their odds are based on the bets of "ordinary people", not just Guardian readers.

I am not saying you are wrong, by the way. I think it's possible that the "out" vote is vastly underestimated. I find it interesting how unreliable polls have been in the last few elections (not sure how reliable betting odds have been), and there is an awful lot of anecdotal evidence in favour of "leave".

An interesting u tube video laying out the very good reasons why we should LEAVE the EU.
Douglas Carswell.

Obama wanted an NHS for America? Another misunderstanding Daisy, Obama faced a lot of challenge from the Republican controlled Congress when bringing in Obamacare but he did get it through. Healthcare in the US is far improved, far cheaper for many and many more have access to it.

You just want justification in your opinions so will desperately cling to anything that validates them.

You critique Obama, but then link to flipping Peter Hitchens who does the same as you makes assertions but doesn't reall back them. Of course Its the American's fault that we suffered after WW1, I mean had they not joined the war there is a good chance the German's would have won. Of course the peace in 1945 was dictated on American and Russian terms, they had by far the most troops, the most equipment, they won the war. We helped, but without the Americans there is no victory in Western Europe.

Obama has had an effect for the leave side? Rolling on the floor laughing at how blinkered you are, I think most people have seen that it has done the Brexit campaign some damage, especially when Boris and Farrage have used racial slurs against him.

Chalalala
You have told us you are an EU citizen with a non EU boyfriend,may I respectfully ask what really is your agenda?

Chalala-that'd be an interesting example fourmummy, except that the economic scales are wrong. It would have to be a world in which the UK is more than five times the population and GDP of the US, - this is an interesting point because it's no accident that the US is in this position. It has been said upthread that the EU is trying to emulate US because one of the reasons for its (EU's) inception was to reduce inter-regional strife. The united states have low internal strife, which has been touted as one reason for the economic arguments. It is also pretty much incontrovertible that we have seen enormous corporatist developments globally (I don't know how linked this is to the 'united states' paspect) . Now, I am all for any model that brings peace, reduces the possibility of perpetual war, increases prosperity and allows more people access to these things. Who wouldn't want this? The big issue, for me at least, is that 'extra layer' of big business evident in that Woodrow Wilson quote. Do I care if the system creates multi-billionaires but everyone else's standard of living goes up too? Well, yes and no. If everyone's quality of life increases, that's good. However, if the people whose quality of life increases more can also push around the people whose QOL does not increase to the same extent, then that's a problem. Can a united EU deliver increased prosperity, reduce war, export their values (what are they?) - we don't know. Will we have that 'extra' (to democracy) big business layer in a united EU? Yes. Is that a problem? Yes and no. It depends how much people care that, e.g., Peter Sutherland, linked to Goldman's, linked to Greece, etc., etc.. Can we do these things alone? We don't know. Are we really stronger united? We don't know. Would US be stronger united with not just its states but Mexico, Canada, Guatemala, etc.? Not immediately (and nobody can predict that far ahead, notwithstanding miracle boy George). For me, it keeps on coming back to that moot, opaque, less-than-transparent layer of corporatists (I am not anti capitalism, anti finance, anti anything like this - but I am anti-deception, and I don't trust the EU's corporates to deliver a good quality of life for us).

Lurked
Mr Obama is a lame duck President on his way out who has upset many Americans,he's bullying us to do a favour for Mr Cameron.
The British do not take kindly to coercion.
Mr Obama is the puppet of big business himself who have their own agenda.
Many Americans I have met have said "Get the hell out of that EU while you have the chance" ( sorry to swear) .
Our moment to liberate ourselves has nearly arrived,vote LEAVE.

Theresa May is an embarrassment on the Andrew Marr show. Not very credible at all with her claims we can control our borders. Good for Marr, the only way to control our borders is by leaving the EU.

Oh Daisy, you really don't understand do you?

Poor dear, there, there, of course it will be ok to leave. I mean the economic plans for the brexit team are sound, you've got a convincing body of well respected politicians to do your negotiating for you haven't you?

Obama didn't upset enough American's not to win two elections did he?

I think you pretty much get all your opinions in one place, you don't seriously take a look at a bredth of information and use that as balance.

If I thought that leaving the EU would be better for us, and for our children I'd be voting out but I can see no clearly put reasons, that don't misuse data and misconstrue things that offer these clear reasons. I can see lots of benefits of being in the EU and think that on the whole the evidence shows that we will be worse off outside of it.

But Lurked, Daisy is a mum dontcha know so that means her opinion supersedes everyone else many of whom are also mums, not that it is actually relevant: we are people with opinions Plus her husband is economist and we must listen to him.

I've worked in various major export industries in my 30+ year career since I graduated (with a French and Economics degree ) and I'll be voting to stay because it's better for business and therefore better for the country. I don't want to live in an insular, xenophobic country.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/23/hillary-clinton-britain-should-stay-in-eu

Next President of the United States says stay in the EU.

God help the world if she doesn't win.

Daisy you have asked me this about 5 times already, and every time I have told you that like any mum I want what I think is the best future for my children's country. You can keep asking, and I'll keep giving you the same answer.

Our Armed Forces Minister warns us that Mr Obama shows remarkable ignorance over our bid to LEAVE.

Our security is at risk if we do not leave.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663897/Obama-blasted-for-showing-woeful-ignorance-on-impact-Brexit-would-have-on-security

Mr Obama simply is ill informed or worryingly big business who are pulling Mr Obamas strings simply do not care about the "little people" ie us here in the UK.
I am not prepared to risk the security of my children,my husband and I will vote LEAVE.Cant wait.

Chalalala
You never mentioned any children on your original post whatsoever.

And worth reading.
Owen Patterson former Cabinet Minister is for Leaving the EU.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663846/EU-referendum-David-Cameron-Europe-UK-power-Roman-Governor-Brexit