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Brexit

The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

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Daisyonthegreen · 13/04/2016 20:42

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

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lurked101 · 23/04/2016 17:03

That last one daisy isn't an EU issue.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:13

LOL Grin

Obama has given the biggest boost to the LEAVE campaign so for. It's the first issue that has really galvanised many of the wavering voters to vote leave.

More please Obama!

AnnaForbes · 23/04/2016 17:20

Lurked is rude isnt he? FWIW, I find Bronze's posts make more sense than Lurked's. Are you sure you are economist Lurked because you seem to lack a basic understanding (and manners).

Aside from the economic arguments for Brexit, there are countless other reasons why leaving is the best choice for us and for future generations.

Obama wants us to remain in the EU because USA benefits massively from this trade deal. We, on the other hand, will see the NHS sold off, GM food in our food supply along with a big reduction in food standards. Quote from The Guardian TTIP is about forcing governments to see the whole of society from the viewpoint of big business. Every regulation which is important to society, workers’ rights or environmental protection becomes simply an obstacle to profit.

Good to see protests on the streets of Germany before Obama's visit.www.rt.com/news/340723-ttip-obama-merkel-deal/

Obama is a disgrace and so is Cameron for asking him here to deceive and threaten us.

PigletJohn · 23/04/2016 17:21

That's an opinion, Springing, but so far I have only heard it expressed by virulent anti-EU campaigners, such as yourself.

I shall look out for a changes among the "don't knows" and see if they agree with you.

It must be a great disappointment to those in favour of resigning from the EU to have their claims of "better international trade outside" cut away from under them. Perhaps Mr. Putin will be more supportive.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-crush-brexit-fantasy-eu-referendum

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:21

People are saying

"How dare he come over here and lecture us"

"He should keep his nose out of our business"

"He's only got another few months to go and then someone else, not Obama, will be deciding who's at the head of the queue"

"Trying to bully and blackmail me just makes me want to do the opposite'

"Cameron stood by that man while he sneered at us and Cameron did nothing"

"The US does £58billion of trade with us. He will be trading, In or OUT'.

Oh yes! There is real anger on the streets. This has been solid gold for the LEAVE campaign.

And the hatred ( yes hatred) of Cameron is palpable.

Interesting times

AnnaForbes · 23/04/2016 17:25

Springing, I have been canvassing for Leave all day in my home town center. The anger towards Obama is definitely palpable.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:30

That's an opinion, Springing, but so far I have only heard it expressed by virulent anti-EU campaigners, such as yourself.

You need to get out more, get away from the Guardianista bubble - meet some ordinary random voters.

It must be a great disappointment to those in favour of resigning from the EU to have their claims of "better international trade outside" cut away from under them.

Lol One highly predictable pro-EU Guardian article is not a game-changer.Just more silliness.

Psst - there are other newspapers out there. Reading the Guardian is not peak-font-of-all-knowledge. More of a left-wing echo chamber.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:33

Springing, I have been canvassing for Leave all day in my home town centre. The anger towards Obama is definitely palpable

But Anna! We both live in strange places because the REMAIN crew never hear this view expressed at all except by virulent EU hates like myself.

Seems we are not so unique after all Grin

AnnaForbes · 23/04/2016 17:35

Graduates from Eastern Europe are taking low-skilled jobs, topped up by ‘generous in-work benefits, without having contributed, from Day One’.

More than £3.1billion of the annual £27.2 billion in-work benefits bill goes to European Economic Area nationals who represent around 6% of the working-age population, but receive more than 10& of the in-work benefit spend.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3554769/Leaked-jobs-report-reveals-civil-servants-concern-EU-influx.html

We cannot sustain the levels of immigration. Another reason to vote Leave.

PigletJohn · 23/04/2016 17:35

Read the far0right Telegraoh, and tell me which parts you object to:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/21/as-your-friend-let-me-tell-you-that-the-eu-makes-britain-even-gr/

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:39

Obama is a disgrace and so is Cameron for asking him here to deceive and threaten us

Heard that time after time.

Cameron is toast. Even his Tory party members are saying they will not campaign for him in May. I am delighted. He has brought this on himself by insisting that we allow a foreign power to run our country.

AnnaForbes · 23/04/2016 17:40

My town is highly representative of middle England where ordinary people have very real and very understandable concerns. That's what I heard today. People are worried about staying in the EU, most are optimistic about Brexit.

YokoUhOh · 23/04/2016 17:42

Someone's got to put forward some Bremain arguments; if not the Graun, then who? Certainly not the Murdoch gutter empire press.

Of course people are angry with Obama, he expressed an opinion that they disagree with. I wonder if Brexiters would contest his right to an opinion if he'd said, 'We're right behind Vote Leave, knock yourselves out'?

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:46

I will listen to Obama's lectures when he has
allowed America to join in political union with Canada and Mexico
allowed the citizens of those countries the right to live in the US
agreed that American law will be handed to them by an unelected body and
agreed that the court of that political union is superior to the American Supreme Court

Only then I shall consider Obama qualified to hector us into a similar arrangement. Until then I will try to get for my country, what he has for his - full sovereignty.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:48

Of course people are angry with Obama, he expressed an opinion that they disagree with. I wonder if Brexiters would contest his right to an opinion if he'd said, 'We're right behind Vote Leave, knock yourselves out'?

Grin Actually, that's Donald Trump's view. He may undo all the good that Obama has done for the LEAVE side. Perhaps that's why Mr Cameron is now courting Trump.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 17:56

Springing, I have been canvassing for Leave all day in my home town center. The anger towards Obama is definitely palpable

I love Obama now Star

For weeks I have been hearing -

"The EU is going to give us TTIP"

To which I say "Not if we leave the EU"

only to be told "No point in leaving the EU because *Cameron would just give us worse!"

Now, that nice Mr Obama has confirmed that it will be possible to Leave the EU, to avoid having to accept TTIP and Mr Cameron will not be able to negotiate his own worse deal outside the EU because Mr Obama says we are at the back of the queue!

Perfect.

Vote LEAVE - avoid TTIP - save the NHS.

Much better slogan than that piteous Safer Stronger Better mantra that nobody believes.

PigletJohn · 23/04/2016 17:58

Bullying? Lecture?

On whether he should be intervening on the UK's referendum, he said:

"Let me be clear: ultimately this is something the British voters have to decide for themselves.

"As part of our special relationship, part of being friends is to be honest and to let you know what I think, and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the US, because it affects our prosperity as well."

I can certainly see it has upset the anti-EU campaigners.

I wonder how many more racial slurs we will hear from those people who, like Boris and Farage, seek to demean the President when he corrects their claims as to what the US will do.

Chalalala · 23/04/2016 18:04

You are still here,an EU citizen with a non EU boyfriend.......

Aw, you almost say it like it's a bad thing Smile

Funny how you bring up my irrelevant (and inaccurate) relationship status, yet obsessed as you are with women being "mums", forget to mention my couple of adorable British children.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 18:07

I wonder how many more racial slurs we will hear from those people who, like Boris and Farage, seek to demean the President when he corrects their claims as to what the US will do

Obama has 33 weeks left in office.

Obama hasn't a clue what the US will do after he has left office - somebody else will be deciding who's in the queue.

Chalalala · 23/04/2016 18:14

Obama probably has a better clue than anyone in the Brexit campaign...

CoolforKittyCats · 23/04/2016 18:37

Obama probably has a better clue than anyone in the Brexit campaign

Not unless he has a crystal ball and can predict what the next POTUS may do.

No one knows what will happen in the future whether we remain or exit that is part of the problem.

SpringingIntoAction · 23/04/2016 18:38
Grin

Obama is either

Ignorant. He doesn't understand the EU because if he did he would not be telling us to surrender our sovereignty when he would never surrender America's.

or

Hypocritical. He does understand the EU and is urging us to surrender sovereignty but would never surrender America's sovereignty to join an organisation like the EU,

Daisyonthegreen · 23/04/2016 18:45

Positives of Brexit(Leaving the EU)
Dan Hannan MEP

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Daisyonthegreen · 23/04/2016 18:46

Spring
Spot on.

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