Anyone putting any plans in place in case we leave?

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I've just checked the EU referendum current polls and it's looking very close at the moment.

I wondered if anyone is putting plans on hold, or will change any plans they have if we leave?

Personally, I am wracking my brains to think of anything which will directly affect me. Although I wonder if there will economical turmoil and whether to plan for an interest rate rise (our very high mortgage). Which will in turn affect Dhs business.

If we remain, I'd imagine it's just business as usual.

Anyone have any thoughts?

We don't get lebkuchen out of season here. I was starting to suspect that EU legislation might forbid the consumption of German cakes other than at Christmas, on the grounds of national waistlines.

I ate my flatmate's Lidl lebkuchen in January once and wasn't able to replace them.

I've been weighing up the pros and cons of DD sorting her other passport once she is in new country (thanks for the suggestion) bu decided on balance as DH needs to.be there to sign as well as me that we might as well just get on with it.

Was trying to find a random fact for DS yesterday and there was one on the list that said it is illegal to eat mince pies on Christmas Day. No idea if actually true, sound unlikely but then so did hippos sweat being red and that apparently is indeed the case.

Spekulatius is the cinnamon biscuit I think, you make them rolling dough over a wooden thing, good fun as a child.I shall stockpile the biscuit forms to make a stash .

Although very sad about my Mother i'm relieved she has left the UK now as she didn't take up uk citizenship. Would be awful to have to worry about that in her last months. PIL emigrated to Spain but have both sadlh died, we'd hace been wor tied about thwir sI tuition otherwise. My Dad is the only left here now and a British citizen so no issues there.my Brother has emigrated as well so not really surprising with all these travelling genes in her that DD was totally set on moving out of UK from quite a young age. DS shows no signs of wanting to do this and I think has more of mine, DH and Dad's genes.

Your family situation sounds complicated SugarPlum and very distressing for your mum to be apart from family at such a time.

My sister will face some similarly difficult issues - she has been a part-time expat for some years but is currently back in the UK, so if the referendum goes the wrong way will need to think about how she secures her right to live in her european home. It would be a "first world problem" (two homes is nice is you can afford it) - except that part of the reason for being abroad was to support her partner's elderly and frail parents. Conceivably both my sister and I could be prevented from caring for elderly relatives if the UK leaves the EU (I've built a granny flat for my mum, for when her health starts to fail, but a brexit would mean she has no right to occupy it).

She's moved out to be near my Brother and nephew so does have family around her. I used to ring when she went out last summer but she can't really speak now and is forgetting to swallow. She recognises my Bother still and the carers are great with her but we've had some difficult times with the hospital. It was her choice to go though, she has always had travel in her blood and in my last conversation with her back in January she was saying she hoped to go to the US.

The whole elderly relative and different nationalities thing is very difficult isn't it MistrigirlHard enough anyway but when you get things like this happen it adds a whole new layer of complication when you think you have it worked out.

MIL wanted to come back to UK after her cancer diagnosis but FIL was adamant they weren't. After MIL died he pottered on for a few years but then went downhill last year, adamant he would die in his flat in Spain. Thanks to his neighbour who found live in care, he did. But it was really tough on everyone, including him .

Sugarplum yes, it's the hardest part about emigration. My cousins have a similar issue as they were not able to bring their mother, who has dementia, to join them in Australia when she became unable to care for herself. She has remained in the UK and has to have local authority carers in several times a day.

I worry about my mum. It's not something you really think about when you emigrate as a young person, and by time it becomes an issue it is usually too late to go back - returning to the UK now is not really possible for us.

I'm quite scared to be honest....I'm the main breadwinner and work in London in Financial Services.

I'm due to be made redundant three weeks before the referendum. If we exit I expect there to be shockwaves through the financial services industry and for work opportunities in my area to grind to a halt.

Yes, perhaps the economic impact would be only for a few years. But I'll already be bankrupt by then!

I'm very much an 'innie' for many reasons, not just my specific financial worries, so I'm hoping it will go the same way as the Scottish referendum and swing to the 'in' when it gets to vote day

Yes, totally get that Mistrigirl. I don't want my DD to think about us as part of her future plans and having gone through it with 3 out of 4 parents DH and I will put plans in place, as our experience means we know more what to expect. Having said that you can't account for everything.

I feel for your cousin, can't be easy. I stil can't believe we got my Mother to Thailand, she was bedbound 4 months earlier . Fingers crossed. Your Mum living in your granny annexe can become a reality.

Oh stumbly, that sounds really stressful. Fingers crossed we vote to remain and you manage to find another job quickly.

sugarplum, sorry to hear about your situation with your mum. I'm only 30 and my mum is currently going through similar problems with her parents. My gran has Alzheimer's and had a massive stroke a year ago, so she moved into a home. Then in the last year my grandpa's mental capacity has gone downhill and last week his carer broke his leg, so he has been temporarily moved into the home as well, although it may end up being permanent. It's hard enough for her living an hour and a half away.

When my OH and I finally live in the same country, we will either be in his country or mine, so whatever happens, one of us will be in a different country from our parents. I am already dreading what will happen 30 years down the line if any of our parents end up in the same state my grandparents are in now.

I'm sorry Stumbly I didn't see you there. That sounds really tough and I hope things improve for you very soon .

Butteredmuffin i'm very sorry to hear about your Grandparents and feel for your Mum. There's a lot of support on the Elderly Parents section here that I'd have been lost without.

Stumbly any joy with job applications? Do employers seem to be holding off until after the referendum to advertise vacancies? Good luck with the job hunting, anyway.

butteredmuffin at least you realise that this is an issue - honestly it didn't cross my mind when we left the UK. My mum although not a "young mum" had always been very fit, she was living with a partner etc. Two decades on and her partner has passed on, she has survived cancer, and although she's a very fit 80-something she is starting to feel her age.

I've made sure to claim my DC's 3 nationalities because this shows you really never know. Never imagined when I moved to the UK 10 years ago that it would come to this.

For us it probably wouldn't be a question of having to leave, but one of the things I've always appreciate and admired about the UK is its culture of diversity and tolerance. I want to live in the country that elects Khan mayor of London, not a country that votes for Brexit.

"DCs'", and "appreciated". I swear my English is really not that bad.

Many countries are diverse and tolerant, and welcome genuine refugees, and migrants with skills they need, without opening their borders wide to 27 other countries.

I think it's fair to say that it's important to you.

Immigration is something that comes up a lot on this thread. I've been posting on various other Brexit threads and top of my list are sovereignty and democracy.

Chalala Triple nationality! I guess you can say you have all bases covered . I am SO glad that my children have a cast-iron claim EU citizenship and will retain their right to study and work in Europe whatever happens in June.

Winterbiscuit it's not so much the immigration policy itself that I would object to (although don't get me started on Theresa May). It's more the political climate behind it - the "blame the immigrants and the muslims for everything" mentality pushed by the tabloids.

Mistigri absolutely! I'm not taking any chances. Europe is a big place full of opportunities, and in this day and age the more freedom you have to study and work wherever you want, the better.

(the third nationality is also a very useful one, but hopefully my kids will stay somewhere in Europe... I expatriated myself and would do it again, but as I get older I'm starting the see the downsides in terms of family)

I hate the thought that after the referendum we, and more importantly our dcs, may be stuck on this tiny inward-looking island (soon to lose Scotland). Was really hoping they could study affordably on the continent, and get jobs abroad. In the probably vain hope of stopping immigrants coming to the UK, people will be stopping us from leaving the UK.

The ability to study and work abroad is a biggie for me. If DD studies medicine, as she seems to want to do, it'll cost us a few hundred euros a year...

(In university fees that is: obviously living expenses are on top)

Article about what contingency plans Europeans in Britain are making:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/09/eu-referendum-europeans-in-britain-fear-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Interestingly, getting a passport doesn't seem to be the only contingency plan being considered - some are considering leaving to return home or go to a third EU country (including Scotland assuming it gets independence), either because they feel unwanted - like a "rejected transplant" in the words of one IT worker - or because they don't want to remain in a small country without european links.

either because they feel unwanted - like a "rejected transplant" in the words of one IT worker

I'm actually finding it surprisingly emotional. Britain is my home, DH and I actively chose to live here instead of France or NA. I personally feel very European too. So yeah, I feel rejected.

I know that Brexit voters probably don't picture me and my family when they rail against all those immigrants, because we don't fit the tabloid cliché. But at the end of the day, they're voting to say they don't want us here. It sucks.

Mistigri I am hoping and praying that European uni fees don't change too much by the time my DCs grow up!

And yes, if Scotland joined the EU as an independent country, it'd be a very attractive option for us. We would think about it seriously.

One of my English colleagues says that if we vote for Brexit she and her husband are planning to put in for a transfer to Glasgow asap. They would then vote for independence in the inevitable second referendum and take their chances up there.

Has anyone experienced being made to feel unwelcome? I work for a company which employs a lot of (highly qualified) Europeans at its main UK site. I cannot imagine anyone I work with making them feel unwanted, but maybe I am being naive, because the sense of rejection comes over quite strongly in that article.