Anyone putting any plans in place in case we leave?

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I've just checked the EU referendum current polls and it's looking very close at the moment.

I wondered if anyone is putting plans on hold, or will change any plans they have if we leave?

Personally, I am wracking my brains to think of anything which will directly affect me. Although I wonder if there will economical turmoil and whether to plan for an interest rate rise (our very high mortgage). Which will in turn affect Dhs business.

If we remain, I'd imagine it's just business as usual.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Project fear is what leavers say when they have no geniune points to make. It would be a lot more convincing to address the concerns with robust, fact-based, rational argument.

Still, let's be grateful for small mercies - at least the caps lock isn't stuck today ;)

Also ironic that you shout project fear when you are quite willing to use scare tactics about how many people are going to come here etc.

Project Fear is what Cameron uses in the absence of any sensible reason for convincing us to remain ruled by an unelected foreign power.

What the REMAIN campaign is failing to understand (probably because they are so young and naïve ) is that many people have has 40+ years of the EU and they have grown to utterly loathe it.

You cannot hit a dog with a big stick for 40+ years and then expect it to lick your hand in friendship. That is what the REMAIN team don't understand.

There is a large number of people who cannot afford decent housing, have seen their wages compressed and have very little hop for the future. Many of this people would actually welcome a large social upheaval regardless of the outcome as the future they are currently facing seems very bleak to them.

So telling them how well they are doing due to the supposed financial wonder of being in the EU doesn't cut if for that section of the population.

The number of people who will come here is not 'project fear' but a certain fact. When the minimum hourly rate in Bulgaria is 82p and around £7,25 in the UK and rising, people are going to come.

To them our pavements are paved with gold.

They will not be deterred.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/01/08/why-david-camerons-four-year-benefits-plan-wont-reduce-eu-migration/

Which section of the population are you talking about? The ones who can't afford decent housing are disproportionately the young, who are the most in favour of remaining in the EU. The people most in favour of leaving are the baby boomers, who had the opportunity to buy houses when they were cheap, profited from insane house price inflation, and are either retired or about to retire (so don't need jobs any more). What exactly have they got to complain about - apart from having to see too many "forrin" people?

You are starting to sound like Alf Garnett Buttered. Your posts are becoming rather unsavoury - but I'll be generous and put that down to your rising hysteria at the thought of an impending BREXIT.

I welcome anyone's decision vote to LEAVE.

You need to get out more - you'd meet a lot of very committed young BREXIT voters. I met one who was 16 last week.

You have some weird misconceptions about who wants to vote LEAVE. You have the sort of misconceptions the StrongerIn team have - who helpfully posted a picture of themselves campaigning today - with a Vote Leave banner in the background.

I laughed I did

First rule of warfare - understand your enemy

Of course it's project fear spring. You are trying influence people's fear of the impact of immigration.

What the REMAIN campaign is failing to understand (probably because they are so young and naïve ) is that many people have has 40+ years of the EU and they have grown to utterly loathe it.

Yes. And know what it's like to see changes of government and different policies over the years. There seems to be a sentiment from some Remainers that they don't like the Tories, so a steady handover of power to the EU is better We can vote the Tories out and if enough people think "none of the above" is the best political party for the UK, they can always form their own.

Whatever you say Spring.

Please can you take your increasingly incoherent ramblings elsewhere and leave this thread for people to discuss the actual topic?

(In case you'd forgotten again, it's about what contingency plans people are putting in place to prepare for the potential effect that a Brexit vote may have on their lives.)

You are monopolising every other thread in this discussion topic. Is it really too much to ask for you not to repeatedly derail this one too?

People don't fear immigration at all. They are already living with the impact of increased population for which essential services, homes and infrastructure were not planned.

You can tell them that it has no impact whatsoever and that all schools, hospitals and housing are elastic and can accommodate as many EU migrants that would wish to come to live here. At that point people tend to laugh.

I didn't tell them the one about migration decreasing hospital waiting lists. [grin[ I don't think they would have been very receptive to that idea.

When did you join the MNHQ moderation team Buttered. Should we start addressing you as ButteredMNHQ?

It would save MNHQ a lot of bother - you could delete your own posts in future.

How is that post relevant to the thread topic?

Hi all,

We've had reports about this thread from both 'sides' and we wanted to stick our heads in and ask you to please remain civil.

This is obviously a topic that will divide folks and we are happy to be a platform on which you can discuss your thoughts, however, we do ask that you respect one another, even if their views are very different from your own.

We really don't want to have to delete posts or threads for personal attacks or goadying and we do feel that it is perfectly possible to have a conversation without this happening.

Peace and love all

The off topic cut'n'paste ruins threads and it's a waste of time engaging with it, but it's not against the rules. The often interesting discussions about the US elections (where there some very knowledgable and interesting posters) suffer from this too.

It's more interesting to attempt to engage on specific points, as I tried to do here(with little success: spring was unable to give a single way in which leaving the EU would improve border security): www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2630702-Positive-Reasons-for-Leaving-the-EU?

It's very difficult to engage on facts: I posted a simple statement of fact on another thread (that Turkish is not an official EU language) and even that got argued with!

Thanks Rebecca. I am reaching the end of my tether and will be pressing the report button a lot more frequently unless Spring starts posting in a more mature and respectful way.

Immigration is ... not really an issue

Lurked: I disagree. In the threads on "what are you voting and why" on MN, immigration is the single most mentioned reason. Yes I actually made lists, and posted results. There are other reasons. But immigration is the most commonly cited reason (usually among others) that MN-Leavers give.

I think there is a lot of smokescreen thrown up to disguise the fact that this is mostly about immigration, but that's what it comes down to. I think "regular" leave supporters tend to be rather honest about this; the people who are actually involved in the leave campaign, much less so.

I'm a "regular" leave supporter and immigration isn't top of my list at all.

Winterbiscuit yet of your 12 previous posts on this thread, 8 were specifically about immigration, so I think it's fair to say that it's important to you.

Winter

The REMAIN side are just constantly trying to spin it as an immigration issue in an attempt to close down debate in the hope that people feel they cannot discuss the issue for fear of having 'racist screamed at them.

However, the more mature amongst us (including the Archbishop of Canterbury) recognise that this is an issue that it is perfectly reasonable to discuss 'uncontrolled migration' - which is what it the issue of migration within the EU actually is.

Immigration is something that benefits the country as people from throughout the world (not just the EU) has the opportunity to bring their skills to this country.

More and more people are starting to realise - and give accounts of how their family and friends are discriminated against by Cameron's increasing of the financial qualifications for those who wish to remain in the UK but are non-EU citizens.

I haven't rtft but I'm stockpiling Aldi biscuits in case of Brexit. Although I see disadvantages in the loss of sovereignty and overload on public services from EU membership you've got to give it to the continental Europeans that they are way, way better than us at biscuits. Also sensible shoes. I don't want to have to make my own Lebkuchen come June 23.

It's not being "spun" as an immigration issue - migration IS one of the main issues, if not THE main issue, for leave voters - if not for leave campaigners.

It's something that can be debated quite reasonably, if there is goodwill on both sides - ie a willingness to accept that neither position is cost or benefit free.

kippersyllabub

Can you even get lebkuchen at this time of year? (Serious question.)

kipper Lol! Though you may be worrying about nothing as Aldi claims that over 50% of their products are UK sourced ;)

Do you really wear lebkuchen on your feet? That sounds a bit drastic, even if Clarks are rubbish these days.

It's not being "spun" as an immigration issue - migration IS one of the main issues, if not THE main issue, for leave voters - if not for leave campaigners.

^^

Says the person who lives in France - and probably has not met a lot of LEAVE voters/ campaigners (if any) and certainly not as many as I have.

The person who lives in France is telling me what (they think) the LEAVE campaign's main issue is - and getting it very wrong.

Spend an hour or so on any high street and you'll find that immigration is NOT a big issue, at all.

Much bigger issues are:

• Sovereignty and being told what to do by the EU

• Obama - and what right does he think he has to tell us what to do when he wouldn't cede sovereignty in the same way

• Inability to stop live exports

• Democratic deficit

• The amount of money we send to the EU when we are closing day centres/libraries/public toilets - take your pick

• Fear of the emergence of the right wing if the EU continues down its current path

• Lack of leadership while the UK has its hands bound by the EU and is not playing its full role in international organisations such as the UN

• The influence of big corporations and their lobbyists on the EU and why thise same large corporations are backing (and funding) the REMAN campaign - what's good for them is not good for us.

• The fact that big banks that we all hated during the Banking crisis are backing (and funding) the REMAIN campaign - again on the basis of 'there must be something in it for them')

• The proposed directive on kettles and toasters has been raised many times

• "My father/grandfather/uncle - did not die for us to be ruled by an undemocratic/German-dominated EU

I could probably list another dozen reasons that really rile people about the EU.

But carry on thinking that its all xenophobia.

That's why the REMAIN side will lose - theytotally fail to acknowledge, understand or address the issues - they just think its about 'immigration'.

Muffin you can get Lebkuchen now and some types of cinnamon biscuits but of course October and November is biscuit-o-clock proper.

Misti I haven't taken to wearing Lebkuchen on my feet yet but who knows post Brexit what the footwear situation will be. Must stockpile extra biscuits