In,out,shake it all about,the EU ,what's best to vote.

[Daisyonthegreen]

Nothing on here,or am I wrong,I'm a newbie so be patient with me.
Anyhow here goes it's the Referendum on the European Union on the 23 June this year.
I'm voting Leave.
How's about you guys?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/30/leave-campaign-set-to-argue-that-staying-in-eu-jeopardises-britains-security
Also pertinent,security is paramount,vote leave in my opinion.

Myhovercraftisfullife else
Mycountryisfullofundesirables
The evidence is as clear as day. The Eu is on UK life support now. Brexit will kill it and not before time. Unless you want to see us be part of an undemocratic Eu superstate where voting for your mp will be akin to voting for your local councillor.
Money ain't everything you know.
You know it makes sense.

Sometimes I get really angry with my phone and it's predictive text. One day I will break it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3515799/Britain-stop-ten-times-terror-suspects-entering-country-leaves-EU-justice-minister-says-blasts-EU-rules-allowing-terrorists-waltz-Britain.html

Security,interesting.

www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_safety
Worth viewing,it deals with security on leaving the EU,vote leave is the safest option.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/656254/EU-immigration-laws-let-fifty-dangerous-criminals-Britain-Alice-Gross-killer

This is ridiculous,politicians are not protecting us,vote out/ leave.

Reading many of the threads here it appears that the anti-English and anti-Christian sentiment is the driving force behind the stay campaign.

Basically the usual ABE rhetoric.

Helpful chap
Yes it's very odd I agree.

Due to EU policies,Tata Steelworks in South Wales is on the brink of closure.
Job losses approx 40,000.
Whilst in the European Union the EU , no aid whether by grant,loan,or tax break can be given to our own Steelworks by OUR Government as it is illegal under EU law.
The EU say it would distort competition .
On joining the EU in 1975 we surrendered all rights to stop "dumping" all cheap products on the UK markets.
Only by leaving the EU can we can stop this by retaking our seat at the World Trade Organisation.
This would prevent cheap dumping of steel as has happened regards Chinese steel being dumped here.
This is tragic,not just money wise,it is tragic for the community and country.
Vote Leave on 23rd June.

Leaving the EU will not result in the UK being able to prevent dumping of cheap steel as a tariff war would ensue that we would loose. The dumping of sub production cost material on the market is against EU rules and dnfircment needs tightening. External to the EU we will be weaker to prevent theses effects. Government loans are a short term fix and could not be sustained long term. Again this is an example of a justifiable concern but one that has nothing to do with membership of the EU and would be worse if we exited.

*enforcement needs tightening.

Helpful, can you give an example of anti Christian or anti English rhetoric? I'm passionate about staying in the EU but my reasons are based on my professional experience in industry and study of the political and legal frameworks that the UK is bound by both as part of the EU and in a wider context.
The leave campaign seem to sight many genuine concerns that people hold, but ignore the inconvenient fact that that these issues will not be addressed by leaving the EU.

Examples? I wouldn't know where to start.

There are several current threads where the English and Christians are being blames for all the worlds ills since time immemorial.

The Stay camp are starting to go over the top accusing Brexit voters if being BNP, one poster of being a 'fucking idiot' (allowed to stand by MN) and coming up with a 'final solution'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3516543/Eight-reasons-Port-Talbot-never-stood-chance-EU-biggest-all.html
Any one with common sense needs to saddle up and vote Leave on the 23rd June.
Our future as a country is retrievable if we vote Leave.

On leaving the EU we can and will set trade tariffs as other countries do,the EU needs us more than we need them.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/30/british-public-must-be-told-truth-about-immigration-figures-ahea/
Transparency is essential.

Daisy,
Adjusting trsde tariffs is a two way street and we have better leverage as part of the EU by negotiating as a block.
Random statements such as "we must all vote x" really demonstrate the lack of substance to the out campaign.

Helpful,
Emotions certainly run high on this subject. However, I don't think that there is a conspiracy to label groups in this way. The far right do tend to be in the out camp and this will obviously be reported.

This link gives the many good substantive reasons to leave the EU,written by Independent businessmen.There is a section on Trade.
It has many sections to explore.
businessforbritain.org/change-or-go/

If there were any good reasons I'm sure you could have argued them on their merits. Instead it's more vaguerey and pinning the blame on the EU for the countries ills... much easier than trying to address them but not good socially, economically or politically.

Engineersthumb

As I have said several times on various threads there is a labour group and LGBT group along with some SWP members in a left coalition in favour of Brexit (Lexit as they call it).

The labeling of Brexit voters as far right is lazy, scaremongering and in layman's terms, a blatant lie.

Helpful chap
I agree,it's rather silly shorthand to label people in an unjust derogatory manner just because they support the very sensible decision to vote Leave on June 23rd.

In fact you will find I said that far right groups tend to be in favour of exit. That is far different to labeling all exit campaigners as far right members. However, it should make you question again why you would vote to leave given the strong support within far right groups. After all what is it they hope to achieve and how do your own goals set you apart? There will of course be people from every political section of society on both sides of the campaign.