Childminder lives with rapist

[OneBluePoster]

I know a childminder who works from her house, and has her rapist son living with her. He isnt charged, but has admitted to multiple rapes and there is evidence of him admitting this. What do you even do with this information, is this a safety concern?

I have done countless 101 forms, believe me they take ages and ask for information that unless you complete that section you cant move forward to the next page.

Well done OP for the story though.

OP can report a rape on behalf of another adult as in hearing about it but it there is no identified victim or a victim that does not wish to engage with the Police, it can only be documented as Police intelligence unless there is evidence of a particular pattern and multiple allegations which could lead to a potential charge and prosecution but it is very, very difficult to do that without victims willing to make statements.

However, I have personal experience dating back a few years of 2 young men where there were failed charges due to lack of co-operation from victims but there were enough failed charges and Police intelligence that they were being monitored by Police and even MAPPA under public protection even without charges or prosecutions. But that isn't common.

And to bring a successful prosecution would be extremely difficult, without a victim.

That is very common, police intelligence about risk in the community is shared at district safeguarding meetings up and down the country within the MASH models

Whether the police can act or not, she should still report it. Surely written confessions (OP says there are messages from the man) of rape, and CASM would constitute a pattern of behavior worthy of investigation? Even if it doesn't this time, it might in the future.

okay you can believe what you want. so many people seem to think this is made up and thats fine its not my job to convince random people on the internet this is real. unfortunately it is very much a true story. i came for advice, i got advice, i followed the advice. they do take ages to complete you are correct it took me about 40 minutes not including breaks. if you or anyone else wants to believe this is a story and unpick everything i say that is completely fine and you are entitled to, i got the information i needed and did what i needed to do. that is it

You seem to think it isn't weird that he would be sending/receiving images of CSAM with you looking over his shoulder and so that's a valid explanation.

It is weird. It's the kind of criminal conduct people generally don't engage in while being overlooked. Especially by vague associates and for so long that you apparently saw multiple images in a chat.

And it's not clear how you got that information about him being a multiple rapist who has confessed to being a multiple rapist many times after this weird scenario where you witnessed him sharing CSAM images, he confessed to it, and no-one you knew or outsiders seemed to think you could report anything?

Or why the hell you asked anyone instead of thinking CSAM are clearly a crime so report it to the Police.

You're apparently not so dim that you managed to find the ethical dilemmas board on Mumsnet, a chat forum. You couldn't Google anything about the law/Police and CSAM?

i have actually answered all of that. i would think that was weird, he wasnt doing that though. he wasnt sending pictures whilst i was there. they were in the chat already. i think maybe he forgot they was in the chat and thats why he went onto the chat with me there. but how am i meant to know im not inside his brain. ive also said multiple times the rape is not mine to report. ive also said many times why i asked people, which was that i didnt have any evidence. i know its a crime which is why i said to him i was going to tell the police when i confronted him. which is all invalid now anyway as it has been reported. these questions are so repetitive when they have been answered already, albeit maybe messily and confusingly and jumbled, but have been answered

I’ve taken calls quite similar to this on a council line - as in content and confusion getting the narrative straight. Basically, take as much info as possible, but pass it to social workers to handle fully, and they have to provide some response to all calls (even if that’s just writing NFA and why on the record). I imagine that’s similar to the police line in cases like this.
If you told police they will want a statement, as they can’t seize property without something to back it up more than a call in this case. Also, Social care would discuss with police first, as it is a crime, a serious crime (unless they have a very good reason not to do so). So you will be contacted again for your statement most likely, unless you went into the local station and gave one already, but that would be remarkably fast.
Actually, I think you will find out what happens when he’s arrested, or if he just continues on living there, as everyone knows everything in your neighbourhood it seems.
I would just stop talking about it in your neighbourhood now, but if anyone does know something first hand I’d encourage them to also make a statement.
Ethically, my view is that it’s best the authorities deal with alleged crime in general and also specifically in this case.

i havent gone anywhere or given a statement, i have only reported online i dont think that counts as a statement. but yes i agree

Putting responsibility on the injured party is an attitude that went out with the flood. Gross that you would say that.

Victims shouldn't ever be made to feel guilty for not reporting anything.

The responsibility for the crime is on the offender. Always.

But at the same time, people aren't being dicks for being aware of the fact that without complaints from victims, there is little the Police or any other organisation can do.

That’s a good point actually, you should tell them about the rape even if you don’t disclose the victims name, if she later decides to report it herself a report against him from the time may help to back her up, even if it’s not useful just now, or if it helps to show a pattern. He’s obviously not too bright if he’s admitting to it to people so he could go on to do it again and your report could help show a pattern.

if he has not been charged and convicted then you must be very careful as it could be classed as rumour and speculation and gossip