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Elderly parents

In battle with Social Workers over parents!!

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 11:23

I think I may have no recourse here but wanted to know if anyone else whose parents live in Northern Ireland have experienced similar.

Mum has Parkinson's, Dad has Type 2 Diabetes, both recently diagnosed with Dementia in November & December 2025, mum definitely in early stages, dad slipping faster. Both in a nursing home since January 2024 and both want to move back home with a live-in carer, I want the same for them.

They both washed up in a nursing home not of their own choice last January. I live in London and had been diagnosed with breast cancer 4 months earlier. At the same time Mum had had a fall and been hospitalised for those 4 months where she started to become disorientated. Dad visited her 3 times a day battling with traffic, hospital car parks and in between managing his own diet and medication. By the end of the 4 months he was frayed, then a hypoglycaemic attack landed him in hospital for a fortnight. End of December mum was discharged to a nursing home, Dad joined her a few days later. The plan was for them to get back on their feet, eat, rest and plan a return home. Then the interim social worker got involved. She was against a return home, mum was too unstable and would fall. She relented, they went home in February, lasted 24 hours, Dad had another hypoglycaemic attack, spent all night awake in A&E, mum was driven back to the nursing home for the night. Next day Dad was at home alone having not slept, woke 3pm and had another hypoglycaemic attack and was taken back to A&E where he spent another sleepless night. A&E did nothing except monitor blood sugars. The social worker held a "Best Interests" meeting 27 February, I was in the middle of chemotherapy so joined by speaker phone. The social worker opened by saying "well it's safe to say the return home was a failure" and ploughed forward getting District Nurse, SW Manager and Home Manager to say the same, and they all agreed that Mum & Dad should stay in the nursing home permanently. They pretended to ask my opinion (I held back as was shocked and no time to think through an answer), Mum and Dad were horrified at being spoken about in such terms and said as much, and the decision was taken out of our hands.

By May, I had finished chemotherapy, had had double mastectomy followed by lymph node clearance, and a new permanent Social Worker had been assigned. After waiting for her to make contact I eventually made contact some time during the summer. I had a good impression of her over the phone, I told her Mum & Dad wanted to move back home with a live-in carer, she said "maybe we do need another Best Interests meeting", so I waited.

In August I had 3 weeks of radiotherapy. At same time my parents were assessed as "lacking capacity" and my Dad was no longer allowed his jaunts to the local garage to buy his paper, but they didn't tell him this. I did but neither believed me. A few weeks later he walked to the garage, he was found and brought back, staff reported he had "absconded" to the Social Worker. They then called an urgent "Best Interests" meeting (no. 2) for 22 October, but didn't tell me it was about moving them to a locked nursing home, instead I believed this was to finally discuss moving back home. The meeting was an ambush, mum and dad were not invited as I discovered at the start of the meeting, reason given was they lacked capacity to understand what was being said. Statements from my parents were read out in which mum was quoted "I know a return home is not realistic and I must not allow my daughter to steer my goals". Dad went along with mum and was quoted "I'll stay here". A few days later I asked mum about this, her jaw dropped, she said "she must have asked a very carefully worded question to get that out of me", and both were clear that this is not what they wanted. At the meeting I was asked with no warning to provide a water tight live-in care solution, put on the spot I couldn't, they decided live-in care was therefore not possible. The meeting concluded with all in agreement except me that a move to an EMI unit/dementia unit was the plan. A matter of weeks later both were diagnosed with early stage dementia.

9 December a further Best Interests meeting (no. 3) was held to get a unanimous decision to move them to an EMI/dementia unit. I had hired a solicitor who attended, 4 social workers, 2 physios, OT, a cast of a thousand, but not my parents. Social worker suggested moving temporarily to an EMI/dementia unit so they were locked up while discussions took place about a return home, also to install a downstairs bathroom. I stated downstairs bathroom was possible, but I was very concerned that another move to a place that was still not home would disorientate and distress them further, but was convinced by the social worker that she wholeheartedly agreed and that it would only be temporary. Christmas Eve mum and dad were moved. They have both declined since. No TV in their room, no access to newspapers, no help to find the channel they want to listen to news, no help to set up their CD player, no help to re-orientate my parents when disorientated, no access to the outside garden (which is secured), no help with hearing aids or glasses which are vital to maintain mental acuity. They are being allowed to slip.

23 January (yesterday) another meeting, originally I was told to invite the Live-In care providers. Found out 2 days before the meeting they were no longer invited and it was to discuss finance and care plans. Quick smart we forwarded care plans and costings. Opening questions were have you installed a downstairs bathroom, how much money do your parents have and what can they afford, and social workers insisted they would only allow them home with 2 live-in carers doubling the cost, also they should have enough for a year minimum, if only enough for 6 months the social worker said she would block a return home. The social workers hadn't even bothered to read the quotes sent to them. No quotes yet for downstairs bathroom as I was under impression it was not a condition for returning home, no access to parents bank accounts yet (slow solicitors), and I do not believe 2 carers are necessary, some of the other specialists back me in this, especially the one who sees my mum for weekly physio sessions.

The crux of the matter is that unlike mainland UK, Northern Ireland gives no authority to next of kin because the NI parliament did not sit since 2016 and their care provisions have not kept pace with mainland UK. In lieu of next of kin authority, care providers have instead Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS), and they wield this. Social workers seem to have ultimate legal authority and threaten legal action if they do not get agreement from family. Additionally, these social workers have dragged their feet since taking over in May 2025. We are now facing more meetings to discuss returning home, meetings about meetings, etc. The lead social worker obviously doesn't know her facts but will talk around the houses to disguise the fact. She shouts down anyone who disagrees with her. All the social workers are defensive and are so unhelpful in discussions with me. I can see a time coming when my parents will not even remember they have a home to go to, let alone know they want to live in it.

My solicitor admits I just have to jump through the hoops they make for me, meantime he is getting written confirmation of my status as "Nominated Person". He is disgusted at the treatment given to both my parents and to me. The physio who said downstairs bathroom useful but not a condition and that parents need only one carer "and at that, minimally" suggested official complaints to 1) Director of Trust, 2) Commissioner for Older People, 3) RQIA, 4) MP. Said to say Trust is responsible for their decline, that instead of reducing their liability they have increased it by neglecting parents' cognitive well-being, and that the longer they remain in a locked dementia unit the more adverse the effect on their health. My solicitors advises against complaints procedure for now.

Has anyone experienced anything similar, can anyone suggest any possible way out of the deadlock? The social workers would like to lock them up and throw away the key. My parents are retired teachers, they have given to others all their working lives, paid their taxes, they are grandparents and have life to live. I cannot believe that this can happen in a 1st world country, I'm contemplating adding to my Will that social services never by default get their hands on me. This is a great advert for assisted dying.

Thank you for reading this.

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Mumbles12 · 24/01/2026 11:27

I'm so sorry OP, what an awful series of things to happen, for your parents and with your own health. I've got no practical suggestions but wanted to say how appalling this is.

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

Mumbles12 · 24/01/2026 11:29

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

Or you could take the time to read it carefully or not comment... What a rude response to a carefully written post.

lizzohadsome · 24/01/2026 11:32

I agree maybe choice of words and tones from social worker could have been better but From reading your post a nursing facility seems to be a better choice. They will have 24/7 care especially given their current medical needs. Do you have other siblings ?

Im sorry your going through this but sometimes patients wishes are not in their best interests.

EvangelineTheNightStar · 24/01/2026 11:32

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

This, do you/your parents have the funds to pay for this?

soupyspoon · 24/01/2026 11:33

Can one carer look after them effectively OP?

2026willbebetter · 24/01/2026 11:38

I’m sorry but I am with social worker in that the return home with the level of support they had in place failed.

It sounds like the bathroom needs to be sorted before they return home as they’re just not going to cope at home while the work is being down - builders in the house all day and heating, electricity and water will be switched on and off.

With the cost of the bathroom and long can they afford to self fund a live in carer? Will they need 1 or 2 living in carers? How will the carers breaks be covered?

AnnaMagnani · 24/01/2026 11:42

How is a live in carer going to meet the needs of 2 people with dementia?

I've been a live in carer and it is a really hard job. Good live in carers are also hard to find.

Will they have somewhere private to have an undisturbed night's sleep? Work breaks?

What are they meant to do alone if your mum falls? Or your dad goes missing as he's wandered off?

It sounds like a two person job at least and no social services department anywhere in the UK is going to fund 2 live in carers.

BillieWiper · 24/01/2026 11:42

Surely if they genuinely don't have the funds for more than six months worth of home care, you can just get it for six months? If it's private how can SW stop you?
Is it that the social workers are basically in control and your parents wishes are no longer legally valid?

Are they trying to encourage/force the sale of the house in order to fund longer term care in a home? Or could they move somewhere smaller/more accessible? They may not be what they want it now, but almost certainly will need in the future.

I'm so sorry you're going through all this. It sounds so stressful. X

ilovepixie · 24/01/2026 11:46

I’ve no advise but you’re lucky you’re parents got help. My mum is had a stoke and a blood clot on the brain over 2 years ago. She is very confused and can’t manage stairs
therefore She hasn’t had a shower or bath in over 2 years. We get no help. No social worker or anything, we have to look after her ourselves. She can’t be left alone and has to sleep in the living room with someone else sleeping there too. So if anyone has any advice for organisations to help would be great. Thank you.

Cherubneddy · 24/01/2026 11:47

EvangelineTheNightStar · 24/01/2026 11:32

This, do you/your parents have the funds to pay for this?

Jesus, what don’t people understand about OPs clearly written explanation! She can’t just take them home because Best Interest decisions have been made by the social workers and others that have legal authority.
OP I am SO SORRY what you are going through. I work as a practice lead in social work for older people in the UK. Admittedly I have only heard your side, but from what you present, the social workers are being incredibly risk adverse. One of the driving forces for me in my role is to endure social workers are not risk adverse like this. Too often social workers don’t consider the BENEFITS to a person’s wellbeing of being able to take risks, just like all of us do everyday.
I don’t know the law in NI, but clearly the Mental Capacity Act 2005 applies, and your solicitor can support you in making an application to the Court of Protection for a Welfare Order to be made: essentially the court decides where your mum and dad live. Courts tend to come down hard on risk adverse decision making. I also don’t know whether The Care Act applies in NI, but if it does, the Wellbeing Principle under that should be considered.
I’m presuming you don’t have Lasting Power of Attorney?

2026willbebetter · 24/01/2026 11:48

ilovepixie · 24/01/2026 11:46

I’ve no advise but you’re lucky you’re parents got help. My mum is had a stoke and a blood clot on the brain over 2 years ago. She is very confused and can’t manage stairs
therefore She hasn’t had a shower or bath in over 2 years. We get no help. No social worker or anything, we have to look after her ourselves. She can’t be left alone and has to sleep in the living room with someone else sleeping there too. So if anyone has any advice for organisations to help would be great. Thank you.

Have to asked SS for an assessment?

I think you have a big issue and should create a thread about it to get support.

Passingthrough123 · 24/01/2026 11:49

I'm sorry you've had to go through all this while dealing with breast cancer, but reading your post, I'm struggling to see why it would be in your parents' best interests to be back at home with a live-in carer. Their needs seem quite profound now. It also sounds like your parents are telling the social workers one thing, then telling you another – are you sure they are not agreeing with you because they don't want to upset you?

catofglory · 24/01/2026 11:52

I am sorry you are going through this, but I have to say I think they will be better off in a care home. As the social worker said, the previous return home was a disaster and realistically your parents are going to deteriorate from now on. And it doesn't sound as if their own home is set up for their needs. As your parents are deemed not to have capacity, and a best interests meeting has been held, I am not sure what more you can do.

My priority would be trying to get them into a good care home, rather than trying to move them back to their own home, which does not seem to meet their needs.

JLou08 · 24/01/2026 11:53

That's a lot and I'm short on time. I'm a social worker in the UK and you seem misinformed on the law, DOLs applies in mainland too. It sounds like there have been breaches of legislation. Court of Protection should be involved as you amd parents are objecting to the care. Is your solicitor experienced in COP work? I think you need a new solicitor.

Smartiepants79 · 24/01/2026 11:54

Who is paying for this care? Live in carers - would that be 24 hrs a day? My experience of live in care is that it is very hard to find good, consistent people to do it and it’s very expensive.
I can’t really tell if your parents are actually fit and well enough to be at home. Is there not a risk that a few weeks down the line you’re back where you started with them in hospital?

Cherubneddy · 24/01/2026 11:57

Also to add, social workers unfortunately do need to be aware of family being motivated by money and avoiding care fees to retain inheritance. I’m not saying this is the case with you OP, but we sadly do see it on a regular basis: some families are very open about it.

SisterTeatime · 24/01/2026 11:58

Honestly, I think it’s hard to see how your parents could manage with one live-carer and no downstairs bathroom. By one carer I assume you mean one at a time, not one in total.

The return home clearly was a failure.

I don’t see how one carer would cope with managing eg your dad going out and being confused. Obviously a carer would not be able to physically keep them in the house and would not be able to go out with one and stay in with the other! So two carers seems eminently sensible to me in the circumstances.

it sounds like your energy would be much better spent on getting them either into a better home or drastically improving the care they receive in their current home. I’m not doubting your account but just wonder whether staff have confirmed they don’t help with things or going out in the garden. Is it possible your parents are saying things that aren’t true?

I also think if you’re in London and have had cancer and gruelling treatment you really need your parents to be safe with the best quality of life possible within those safe parameters rather than at home where they may not be safe and may not have any better quality of life.

Cherubneddy · 24/01/2026 12:02

I am shocked at the number of people stating OPs parents should not be allowed to return home on the limited information given! I can’t say what I think should happen until having an awful lot more information regarding what can be put in place to mitigate risk etc. For example, IF OPs dad left the care home ONCE to go and get a paper, that is NOT justification in itself for him to be locked in a home and his rights taking away from him. But as I said, we may not have the full picture here.
And just because 2 people have dementia, it doesn’t necessarily mean they cannot be safely cared for by one live in carer. It depends on their needs. Not all people diagnosed with dementia behave the same/ need the same care.

Hiptothisjive · 24/01/2026 12:06

I think this is the really unfortunate intersection between what your parents want vs what is best for them at this time.

Aside from the very long (!) post about tonality and what was said the facts are your parents aren’t able to safely look after themselves.

Even with a carer unless they were live in with all the conditions and dementia not to mention the attempts to take them home and failing you continue to go down a very stressful path of doing what they want vs what is best for them. Fro. Your post I think your parents need to be in a home.

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Cherubneddy · 24/01/2026 12:07

SisterTeatime · 24/01/2026 11:58

Honestly, I think it’s hard to see how your parents could manage with one live-carer and no downstairs bathroom. By one carer I assume you mean one at a time, not one in total.

The return home clearly was a failure.

I don’t see how one carer would cope with managing eg your dad going out and being confused. Obviously a carer would not be able to physically keep them in the house and would not be able to go out with one and stay in with the other! So two carers seems eminently sensible to me in the circumstances.

it sounds like your energy would be much better spent on getting them either into a better home or drastically improving the care they receive in their current home. I’m not doubting your account but just wonder whether staff have confirmed they don’t help with things or going out in the garden. Is it possible your parents are saying things that aren’t true?

I also think if you’re in London and have had cancer and gruelling treatment you really need your parents to be safe with the best quality of life possible within those safe parameters rather than at home where they may not be safe and may not have any better quality of life.

Did I miss where OP stated that her dad had left the home more than once, and that was just to get a paper?? That’s a big leap to make SisterTeatime, to him then being at risk of constant absconsion. Plus there is assistive technology that could be used, such as door sensors etc, to reduce risk.

Sorry if I’m coming across like a Rottweiler here. It’s just something I’m very passionate about. We must jump to conclusions based on one off events and deprive a person’s liberty on the basis of such. It’s illegal and immoral. But again, I am aware we only have OPs side here.

stichguru · 24/01/2026 12:18

It's a long post - The key question I guess are your parents going to be safe and well at home just the two of them for quite long tracks of time between carers? While it sounds like social services have been abysmal in their communication with your parents, the answer to this question sounds very much like it's a no. In fact, I would suggest that at times they may both need a carer or one of them may need 2 carers for certain tasks. Social service is unlikely to pay for a full time carer plus another to visit once or twice a day for washing etc.

Therefore either you parents have the money to pay privately for this, in which case, they with your help, need to crack on and get it set up, or they don't, in which case a nursing home place is the only safe and sensible option. I would say some elderly friends of ours were rather in your parents' situation a while ago and ended up in a care home with two next door rooms - one has become their bedroom with a double bed, wardrobe, drawers etc, the other a sitting room - 2 chairs from their house, a coffee table, desk and cupboard from there house and space to move more chairs in. So a few weeks ago when we visited we were sat in their sitting room, just the 4 of us in private, not on their bed or anything, Just a possibility...

ChaChaChaChanges · 24/01/2026 12:26

I’m so sorry, because I’m in broadly the same position, but I think SS are right. Care home is the most realistic option now.

ilovepixie · 24/01/2026 12:44

ilovepixie · 24/01/2026 11:46

I’ve no advise but you’re lucky you’re parents got help. My mum is had a stoke and a blood clot on the brain over 2 years ago. She is very confused and can’t manage stairs
therefore She hasn’t had a shower or bath in over 2 years. We get no help. No social worker or anything, we have to look after her ourselves. She can’t be left alone and has to sleep in the living room with someone else sleeping there too. So if anyone has any advice for organisations to help would be great. Thank you.

I’ve started a new thread. Sorry for hiking yours OP

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