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Elderly parents

In battle with Social Workers over parents!!

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 11:23

I think I may have no recourse here but wanted to know if anyone else whose parents live in Northern Ireland have experienced similar.

Mum has Parkinson's, Dad has Type 2 Diabetes, both recently diagnosed with Dementia in November & December 2025, mum definitely in early stages, dad slipping faster. Both in a nursing home since January 2024 and both want to move back home with a live-in carer, I want the same for them.

They both washed up in a nursing home not of their own choice last January. I live in London and had been diagnosed with breast cancer 4 months earlier. At the same time Mum had had a fall and been hospitalised for those 4 months where she started to become disorientated. Dad visited her 3 times a day battling with traffic, hospital car parks and in between managing his own diet and medication. By the end of the 4 months he was frayed, then a hypoglycaemic attack landed him in hospital for a fortnight. End of December mum was discharged to a nursing home, Dad joined her a few days later. The plan was for them to get back on their feet, eat, rest and plan a return home. Then the interim social worker got involved. She was against a return home, mum was too unstable and would fall. She relented, they went home in February, lasted 24 hours, Dad had another hypoglycaemic attack, spent all night awake in A&E, mum was driven back to the nursing home for the night. Next day Dad was at home alone having not slept, woke 3pm and had another hypoglycaemic attack and was taken back to A&E where he spent another sleepless night. A&E did nothing except monitor blood sugars. The social worker held a "Best Interests" meeting 27 February, I was in the middle of chemotherapy so joined by speaker phone. The social worker opened by saying "well it's safe to say the return home was a failure" and ploughed forward getting District Nurse, SW Manager and Home Manager to say the same, and they all agreed that Mum & Dad should stay in the nursing home permanently. They pretended to ask my opinion (I held back as was shocked and no time to think through an answer), Mum and Dad were horrified at being spoken about in such terms and said as much, and the decision was taken out of our hands.

By May, I had finished chemotherapy, had had double mastectomy followed by lymph node clearance, and a new permanent Social Worker had been assigned. After waiting for her to make contact I eventually made contact some time during the summer. I had a good impression of her over the phone, I told her Mum & Dad wanted to move back home with a live-in carer, she said "maybe we do need another Best Interests meeting", so I waited.

In August I had 3 weeks of radiotherapy. At same time my parents were assessed as "lacking capacity" and my Dad was no longer allowed his jaunts to the local garage to buy his paper, but they didn't tell him this. I did but neither believed me. A few weeks later he walked to the garage, he was found and brought back, staff reported he had "absconded" to the Social Worker. They then called an urgent "Best Interests" meeting (no. 2) for 22 October, but didn't tell me it was about moving them to a locked nursing home, instead I believed this was to finally discuss moving back home. The meeting was an ambush, mum and dad were not invited as I discovered at the start of the meeting, reason given was they lacked capacity to understand what was being said. Statements from my parents were read out in which mum was quoted "I know a return home is not realistic and I must not allow my daughter to steer my goals". Dad went along with mum and was quoted "I'll stay here". A few days later I asked mum about this, her jaw dropped, she said "she must have asked a very carefully worded question to get that out of me", and both were clear that this is not what they wanted. At the meeting I was asked with no warning to provide a water tight live-in care solution, put on the spot I couldn't, they decided live-in care was therefore not possible. The meeting concluded with all in agreement except me that a move to an EMI unit/dementia unit was the plan. A matter of weeks later both were diagnosed with early stage dementia.

9 December a further Best Interests meeting (no. 3) was held to get a unanimous decision to move them to an EMI/dementia unit. I had hired a solicitor who attended, 4 social workers, 2 physios, OT, a cast of a thousand, but not my parents. Social worker suggested moving temporarily to an EMI/dementia unit so they were locked up while discussions took place about a return home, also to install a downstairs bathroom. I stated downstairs bathroom was possible, but I was very concerned that another move to a place that was still not home would disorientate and distress them further, but was convinced by the social worker that she wholeheartedly agreed and that it would only be temporary. Christmas Eve mum and dad were moved. They have both declined since. No TV in their room, no access to newspapers, no help to find the channel they want to listen to news, no help to set up their CD player, no help to re-orientate my parents when disorientated, no access to the outside garden (which is secured), no help with hearing aids or glasses which are vital to maintain mental acuity. They are being allowed to slip.

23 January (yesterday) another meeting, originally I was told to invite the Live-In care providers. Found out 2 days before the meeting they were no longer invited and it was to discuss finance and care plans. Quick smart we forwarded care plans and costings. Opening questions were have you installed a downstairs bathroom, how much money do your parents have and what can they afford, and social workers insisted they would only allow them home with 2 live-in carers doubling the cost, also they should have enough for a year minimum, if only enough for 6 months the social worker said she would block a return home. The social workers hadn't even bothered to read the quotes sent to them. No quotes yet for downstairs bathroom as I was under impression it was not a condition for returning home, no access to parents bank accounts yet (slow solicitors), and I do not believe 2 carers are necessary, some of the other specialists back me in this, especially the one who sees my mum for weekly physio sessions.

The crux of the matter is that unlike mainland UK, Northern Ireland gives no authority to next of kin because the NI parliament did not sit since 2016 and their care provisions have not kept pace with mainland UK. In lieu of next of kin authority, care providers have instead Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS), and they wield this. Social workers seem to have ultimate legal authority and threaten legal action if they do not get agreement from family. Additionally, these social workers have dragged their feet since taking over in May 2025. We are now facing more meetings to discuss returning home, meetings about meetings, etc. The lead social worker obviously doesn't know her facts but will talk around the houses to disguise the fact. She shouts down anyone who disagrees with her. All the social workers are defensive and are so unhelpful in discussions with me. I can see a time coming when my parents will not even remember they have a home to go to, let alone know they want to live in it.

My solicitor admits I just have to jump through the hoops they make for me, meantime he is getting written confirmation of my status as "Nominated Person". He is disgusted at the treatment given to both my parents and to me. The physio who said downstairs bathroom useful but not a condition and that parents need only one carer "and at that, minimally" suggested official complaints to 1) Director of Trust, 2) Commissioner for Older People, 3) RQIA, 4) MP. Said to say Trust is responsible for their decline, that instead of reducing their liability they have increased it by neglecting parents' cognitive well-being, and that the longer they remain in a locked dementia unit the more adverse the effect on their health. My solicitors advises against complaints procedure for now.

Has anyone experienced anything similar, can anyone suggest any possible way out of the deadlock? The social workers would like to lock them up and throw away the key. My parents are retired teachers, they have given to others all their working lives, paid their taxes, they are grandparents and have life to live. I cannot believe that this can happen in a 1st world country, I'm contemplating adding to my Will that social services never by default get their hands on me. This is a great advert for assisted dying.

Thank you for reading this.

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AheadOfTheCrib · 24/01/2026 14:46

Hi OP
This sounds really difficult for you and I can tell you are trying to push for what you feel is best for your parents, but I fear you may be a bit naive about the situation. I am a social worker in NI, and just wanted to share my thoughts. Apologies in advance if this is long.

First the DoLS authorisation - this isn't the sole decision of the social worker. Your parents need to have been assessed as lacking capacity to make decisions about their care needs, and this will have to be evidenced. A medical practitioner will then see your parents, and will need to confirm their agreement re: the outcome of the capacity assessment. Your thoughts and wishes as the nominated person, as well as your parents previous wishes, will also be recorded and all these documents are sent to an independent panel. The panel will review the evidence, wishes, needs and risks, and make a decision on whether the DoLS will be authorized. Because you do not agree with the DoLS, the authorisation is then sent to the attorney general to review and make sure it is necessary, proportionate and legal. So there is a minimum of four steps where all professionals need to agree the DoLS is necessary.

Regarding live in care at home - this is absolutely an option for your parents, so long as you can prove their needs can be met at home and the majority of the funding is privately met (the health service does not have the budget to fund 24/7 care at home unfortunately). I obviously don't know the full information, but it sounds like your parents have been assessed to need a carer each, which is why social services are asking for confirmation that you have a minimum of two carers ready to start. The downstairs bathroom is a necessity, as your mum seems to be a high risk of falls and the consequences of her falling while using the stairs could be deadly. It's not that they are refusing to discuss home care, it sounds like they have discussed it with you and these things are what they have deemed necessary for this to be a viable option.

In my opinion (based only on the information you've given and my knowledge on the subject), I likely would also be recommending nursing home care for your parents.

Hope you get things sorted out and your parents are happy, healthy and content wherever they live.

littleyellowflowerspotted · 24/01/2026 14:47

What an awful situation for you OP. Where it’s clear the family dynamic is healthy and you clearly want what’s best for your parents, I think it’s awful the State can take over like this.

I’ve not been in your position but I do oversee the care for my elderly dad so I understand your concerns and desire to buy some time for them, away from a locked-in institution. A few immediate thoughts…

  1. Social workers are probably thinking about long term and the immediate present isn’t their concern. They’ll be thinking that at some point at least one parent will need nursing care so they’re minimising the disruption and doing it now.
  2. You are absolutely right that people do decline much quicker in a care home than in an environment that’s familiar. For some families, they have no other choice when a parent declines but in your case, you’re offering a viable solution clearly in line with what you and your parents want. Like I said, you’re buying some time for them to be comfy, before their cognition deteriorates. You are right to fight for this!
  3. You do however need to look at this with clear eyes. I do think it’d be very difficult for one carer to look after two elderly people and as their health gets worse, this might become quickly unsustainable, especially if your dad has been known to go for a wander to the shops. Ultimately a care agency would do a full assessment and they’d give you a true view on what is safely possible. It might have to be two people (at least during the day and one at night)
  4. I don’t know how the law works on this but as a last resort, you could go to the local media. Obviously you’d then be fighting against the council’s PR machine but a story about how the law works in NI and two elderly people being ‘imprisoned’ (I’m being dramatic here!!) is possibly something the Belfast Telegraph would take up.

This is a very difficult time of life for adult children who are trying to juggle life and health with the needs of sick parents. I hope you’re able to get a speedy resolution!

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:47

WMW · 24/01/2026 13:46

This has been a tough time for you OP, and you clearly care very much for your parents.

But I think you are being naive about their capacity, and the idea of them moving home with one live-in carer.

You also seem to think that drugs will slow their mental decline - but they are way past that point now.

I think you should listen to the social workers, and to the care home. They won't be "locked in " their rooms, but will not be able to wander out of the home. I miagine there have been issues with your DF getting lost, or getting into difficulties, when he went to buy a newspaper. (Reading between the lines here, having had experience of dementia in two relations of mine.)

I would also take with a pinch of salt anything your DPs tell you. People with dementia are not reliable witnesses. Maybe they have been shown how to use the TV, or CD player, they just can't any more...

You are a long way away from them, and imo them returning home would result in multiples problems and scares. As it already did.

don't think being naive, well aware of what could lie ahead and what is likely to lie ahead for each of them. No, of course they're not locked into their room, it's not the weather for organised trips to the secured garden. No DF has never got lost, knows exactly where he is - so far, agree that will likely change, but we aren't there yet and may not be for some weeks or some years, who knows. Yes, they have their timelines screwed up, disorientated to time and place, definitely. Not to place when they're in their own house. Def not reliable witnesses. Yes, they've been shown how to use phones, CD player, yes they've forgotten, yes their glasses are no longer the correct prescription, mum won't wear her hearing aids as they're a faff, but they need repeat demonstrations, until they have it mastered. I'm not sure how you're able to say they're way past that point now, Dad's psych of old age said she would prescribe the drugs if the correct diagnosis was made. Yes, I care, and would like to think mine care about me when it's my turn.

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Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:48

BigAnne · 24/01/2026 14:12

@Mrstiggywiddle if your mum falls and breaks a bone she'll need specialist lifting equipment to get off the floor to prevent further damage. The use of equipment is a 2 person job.

from my experience, the specialist lifting equipment is handled by paramedics, whether in nursing home or their own home.

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Daisychain700 · 24/01/2026 14:50

I have some experience and my advice is:
no point opening best interest discussions or Court of Protection applications until their home environment is suitable for them.
You need to cost the work of bathroom adaptations/downstairs living and cost how long you can fund live in care for them both as the council are unlikely to be able to continue funding when the money runs out and the Court won’t force them to do this.
You need to approach live in care agencies and take their advice about how many staff are needed to run this package, including cover for carer breaks as you are not local.

If you can only fund it for a few months is it going to be more distressing for them to go back to nursing home at that point?

Could you or they relocate to be near each other: live in care packages really need a family member to run them, or there is a risk the worker/s can become too stressed and it can break down. Different live in care agencies have different levels of manager support but even with good support good family back up is needed to manage medical issues, household issues, disruption due to carer annual leave/sickness etc.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:51

2026willbebetter · 24/01/2026 14:19

Because the SW is putting your parents interests first and moving them home again and then into a new home will be too much for them.

Have you asked a live in care service to assess them and if they would need 1 or 2 living carers? And if they can meet your parents needs?

Edited

yes, we have two companies that can foot the bill right now, a third I know would work but they lack the paperwork and back up to prove this to SWs. SWs version of parents best interests comes from a well thumbed text book. Feeling like our society is moving on from that these days.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 24/01/2026 14:53

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:40

thank you, yes it's really really rough. I hope I'm fully recovered too!! High risk of recurrence and spread unfortunately, trying a low carb/sugar diet, recommend Jenny Phillips nutritionist.

dementia unit is only option according to SWs as it's lockable. This morning they started getting their paper and were very switched on, although tired, but sparky!

SWs behave as though completely ignorant that Live In care exists, however one yday admitted they had worked with them before so the ignorance is all play acting. They would be happy with a stop gap solution if that's all it can be, at least they can say they tried. 24 hour attempt was not an attempt, it was poorly managed. THey are self-funding, but in NI the SW reigns supreme still. Not same as mainland UK. Unbelievable, I know. I'm still wrapping my head around it.

So if they tried care at home, as a stop gap, they may not find carers prepared to try for a short period of time. They may have a change in carers if a longer term agreement is reached which is unsettling in itself. Annoying as it is local social workers will have a good idea of the availability of carers, because they’re constantly looking at care packages and are often limited because there’s no availability. The company who quoted for you withdrew before care was in place, how would it be if they withdrew and a contract was in place, leaving your parents without care?

There are a lot of moving pieces to think about, instead of seeing social workers as being obstructive, try to listen to what they’re saying and give it some realistic consideration. Social workers tend to try and get people home not least because it’s often cheaper so there will be reasons they think residential care is needed, even if you disagree.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:54

littleyellowflowerspotted · 24/01/2026 14:47

What an awful situation for you OP. Where it’s clear the family dynamic is healthy and you clearly want what’s best for your parents, I think it’s awful the State can take over like this.

I’ve not been in your position but I do oversee the care for my elderly dad so I understand your concerns and desire to buy some time for them, away from a locked-in institution. A few immediate thoughts…

  1. Social workers are probably thinking about long term and the immediate present isn’t their concern. They’ll be thinking that at some point at least one parent will need nursing care so they’re minimising the disruption and doing it now.
  2. You are absolutely right that people do decline much quicker in a care home than in an environment that’s familiar. For some families, they have no other choice when a parent declines but in your case, you’re offering a viable solution clearly in line with what you and your parents want. Like I said, you’re buying some time for them to be comfy, before their cognition deteriorates. You are right to fight for this!
  3. You do however need to look at this with clear eyes. I do think it’d be very difficult for one carer to look after two elderly people and as their health gets worse, this might become quickly unsustainable, especially if your dad has been known to go for a wander to the shops. Ultimately a care agency would do a full assessment and they’d give you a true view on what is safely possible. It might have to be two people (at least during the day and one at night)
  4. I don’t know how the law works on this but as a last resort, you could go to the local media. Obviously you’d then be fighting against the council’s PR machine but a story about how the law works in NI and two elderly people being ‘imprisoned’ (I’m being dramatic here!!) is possibly something the Belfast Telegraph would take up.

This is a very difficult time of life for adult children who are trying to juggle life and health with the needs of sick parents. I hope you’re able to get a speedy resolution!

I love this, yes you're bang on on all four counts - I've called Belfast Telegraph!! Not taken me up yet but let's see.

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Changename12 · 24/01/2026 14:57

I think your parents are probably better off in a home. Maybe a better home.
Really a live in carer is a 2/3 person job. A friend of mine had a mother with 2 live in carers. She and her siblings still had to fill in. It was hard work for them. 2 live in carers would both need their own rooms. They are extremely hard to find. I think my friend only found ones for her mother because her mother lived in a large house in London. Yes being a live in carer is a job where you are entitled to a couple of days off a week and nights or days off.

Changename12 · 24/01/2026 15:00

Can you not arrange for newspapers to be delivered to your parents at the care home.
When my aunt was in a care home we had a newspaper delivered to her there. We also had a couple of monthly magazines delivered.

Hiptothisjive · 24/01/2026 15:01

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:30

agree on paper it looks much like classic case of needing a nursing home. Reality is I know how damaging a nursing home is. They've been in two, same story, different faces. Cognitively they're much better at home.

I totally get that and again it’s the intersection between being cognitively better at home and physically better/safer in a home…..

Pistachiocake · 24/01/2026 15:02

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

I don't know about Irish rules (it might be different from England) but with POA I could not do this with a relative of mine, and she got stuck in a home miles from family, despite us wanting her in one closer, or back in her own flat with carers.

OP, I'm so sorry. It's awful that some people who have worked hard and been great people all their lives are treated like this.

Soonenough · 24/01/2026 15:09

Been through a lot of care situations in my own family . In NI . What do you want them to do ? It is unrealistic of you to think that any organisation with responsibility would just discharge your parents to their unsafe home and leave them to their own devices.

I really don't think that you living in a different country with your own health issues can fully comprehend the situation. Is there any other family members that can advocate on your and their behalf ?

Ideally you would like your parents to stay at home with a fully funded 24 hour care package . Well that is not possible and anything less would be negligence on SS part . You need to accept this .
If you feel that you are being shouted down as you say I 'm pretty sure that what is happening is that the same old argument s are being rehashed .

I do have sympathy for you as I know how hard it must be to try to do what you think is right and do what they have asked . But you and they need to find a way to accept that unfortunately their health conditions are such that they are unsafe at home . Unless you can find a family member willing to move and nurse them . And honestly it is too much for anybody.

They will be unable to get their papers, etc as there is just not the capacity of staff to attend to their every wants and needs . Those errands are usually up to visitors and relatives .

I know I sound harsh but unless you can find some way to come to terms with this you are going to be very miserable. And you have your own health to take care of . The stress is not good for you . Your parents wouldn't you to be suffering like this . They are safe and looked after , not to your desired standard and this is what you need to accept.

I hope you have people in your life that will support you on what must be such a difficult time .

BigAnne · 24/01/2026 15:11

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:48

from my experience, the specialist lifting equipment is handled by paramedics, whether in nursing home or their own home.

Lifting equipment is used by 2 carers.

ShetlandishMum · 24/01/2026 15:13

BigAnne · 24/01/2026 15:11

Lifting equipment is used by 2 carers.

Yes. Done all the time in care home, home services and hospitals. It's really a standard thing.

EvangelineTheNightStar · 24/01/2026 15:14

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:51

yes, we have two companies that can foot the bill right now, a third I know would work but they lack the paperwork and back up to prove this to SWs. SWs version of parents best interests comes from a well thumbed text book. Feeling like our society is moving on from that these days.

So have they explicitly stated that it would be a significant risk to your parents to return home, and you and parents been able to respond and show how these are no longer present risks because xyz..?

ShetlandishMum · 24/01/2026 15:15

Changename12 · 24/01/2026 14:57

I think your parents are probably better off in a home. Maybe a better home.
Really a live in carer is a 2/3 person job. A friend of mine had a mother with 2 live in carers. She and her siblings still had to fill in. It was hard work for them. 2 live in carers would both need their own rooms. They are extremely hard to find. I think my friend only found ones for her mother because her mother lived in a large house in London. Yes being a live in carer is a job where you are entitled to a couple of days off a week and nights or days off.

And the pay is really low so don't expect too much. Most people would never work on these terms.

2026willbebetter · 24/01/2026 15:18

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:51

yes, we have two companies that can foot the bill right now, a third I know would work but they lack the paperwork and back up to prove this to SWs. SWs version of parents best interests comes from a well thumbed text book. Feeling like our society is moving on from that these days.

Have they said if they need one or two carers? How long can your parents self fund this for?

ReadingSoManyThreads · 24/01/2026 15:19

Well this is utterly terrifying. My aging parents are in NI, I'm in England like you. My parents are adamant that they will only leave their house in a box.

You must be beside yourself, and the stress will be heavily impacting you, I'm so sorry that you're having serious health battles yourself.

I didn't even know about this, and it's highly concerning. I do believe that your parents will continue to decline whilst being imprisoned as they are now. I feel so sorry for both them and yourself.

I hope the press takes this up. Try UTV too. Have you asked your solicitor why they advise against complaints for now? I'm guessing it's because the already vicious SS will turn even more vicious?

Sending love, this is just utterly terrible.

silverwrath · 24/01/2026 15:20

I'm sorry hon. But they need 24hr care and living at home just isn't feasible.

Their health will deteriorate and their care needs are going to increase exponentially.

Rhubarb24 · 24/01/2026 15:23

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Cheese55 · 24/01/2026 15:25

Im sorry you've been unwell but I'm not sure what your health has to do with any of it. Im not sure of the law in NI but in UK if you haven't got LPOA and your parents haven't got capacity, the decision makers will be social workers .

diddl · 24/01/2026 15:38

It sounds as if they are in a dreadful place.

It also sounds as if their home isn't fit for them to return to.

When my dad started to struggle with the stairs (only bathroom upstairs) we were told that a commode & a strip wash at the kitchen sink would be considered acceptable.

Mumbles12 · 24/01/2026 15:38

Cheese55 · 24/01/2026 15:25

Im sorry you've been unwell but I'm not sure what your health has to do with any of it. Im not sure of the law in NI but in UK if you haven't got LPOA and your parents haven't got capacity, the decision makers will be social workers .

It's got everything to do with the situation now. OP was unable to be there at earlier stages to try to avoid this mess.

rookiemere · 24/01/2026 15:39

OP apologies if I am barking up
the wrong tree, but are you feeling guilty that you weren’t able to support them at the start of this because of your own health issues ?

It does feel as if living at home would have been more realistic at the start of their care home journey, but now when they have been there for some time, it would be tremendously unsettling for them to be able to go home for a short while and then have to return- either through lack of funds or deterioration- to a care home. Plus a mammoth task for yourself to coordinate that activity.

I know it’s sad, but honestly from everything I have read here it doesn’t seem feasible for them to be at home. Funding seems limited in duration and number of carers, work needs to be done on the property before they can return and the person coordinating all the at home care is based in another country and has her own health issues to manage as well.

It’s a horrible time when our DPs are no longer the strong capable people we looked up to and it’s written all over your posts how much you love them and want to do right for them, but honestly I am not convinced you’re on the best course for them or for you.