Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Elderly parents

In battle with Social Workers over parents!!

280 replies

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 11:23

I think I may have no recourse here but wanted to know if anyone else whose parents live in Northern Ireland have experienced similar.

Mum has Parkinson's, Dad has Type 2 Diabetes, both recently diagnosed with Dementia in November & December 2025, mum definitely in early stages, dad slipping faster. Both in a nursing home since January 2024 and both want to move back home with a live-in carer, I want the same for them.

They both washed up in a nursing home not of their own choice last January. I live in London and had been diagnosed with breast cancer 4 months earlier. At the same time Mum had had a fall and been hospitalised for those 4 months where she started to become disorientated. Dad visited her 3 times a day battling with traffic, hospital car parks and in between managing his own diet and medication. By the end of the 4 months he was frayed, then a hypoglycaemic attack landed him in hospital for a fortnight. End of December mum was discharged to a nursing home, Dad joined her a few days later. The plan was for them to get back on their feet, eat, rest and plan a return home. Then the interim social worker got involved. She was against a return home, mum was too unstable and would fall. She relented, they went home in February, lasted 24 hours, Dad had another hypoglycaemic attack, spent all night awake in A&E, mum was driven back to the nursing home for the night. Next day Dad was at home alone having not slept, woke 3pm and had another hypoglycaemic attack and was taken back to A&E where he spent another sleepless night. A&E did nothing except monitor blood sugars. The social worker held a "Best Interests" meeting 27 February, I was in the middle of chemotherapy so joined by speaker phone. The social worker opened by saying "well it's safe to say the return home was a failure" and ploughed forward getting District Nurse, SW Manager and Home Manager to say the same, and they all agreed that Mum & Dad should stay in the nursing home permanently. They pretended to ask my opinion (I held back as was shocked and no time to think through an answer), Mum and Dad were horrified at being spoken about in such terms and said as much, and the decision was taken out of our hands.

By May, I had finished chemotherapy, had had double mastectomy followed by lymph node clearance, and a new permanent Social Worker had been assigned. After waiting for her to make contact I eventually made contact some time during the summer. I had a good impression of her over the phone, I told her Mum & Dad wanted to move back home with a live-in carer, she said "maybe we do need another Best Interests meeting", so I waited.

In August I had 3 weeks of radiotherapy. At same time my parents were assessed as "lacking capacity" and my Dad was no longer allowed his jaunts to the local garage to buy his paper, but they didn't tell him this. I did but neither believed me. A few weeks later he walked to the garage, he was found and brought back, staff reported he had "absconded" to the Social Worker. They then called an urgent "Best Interests" meeting (no. 2) for 22 October, but didn't tell me it was about moving them to a locked nursing home, instead I believed this was to finally discuss moving back home. The meeting was an ambush, mum and dad were not invited as I discovered at the start of the meeting, reason given was they lacked capacity to understand what was being said. Statements from my parents were read out in which mum was quoted "I know a return home is not realistic and I must not allow my daughter to steer my goals". Dad went along with mum and was quoted "I'll stay here". A few days later I asked mum about this, her jaw dropped, she said "she must have asked a very carefully worded question to get that out of me", and both were clear that this is not what they wanted. At the meeting I was asked with no warning to provide a water tight live-in care solution, put on the spot I couldn't, they decided live-in care was therefore not possible. The meeting concluded with all in agreement except me that a move to an EMI unit/dementia unit was the plan. A matter of weeks later both were diagnosed with early stage dementia.

9 December a further Best Interests meeting (no. 3) was held to get a unanimous decision to move them to an EMI/dementia unit. I had hired a solicitor who attended, 4 social workers, 2 physios, OT, a cast of a thousand, but not my parents. Social worker suggested moving temporarily to an EMI/dementia unit so they were locked up while discussions took place about a return home, also to install a downstairs bathroom. I stated downstairs bathroom was possible, but I was very concerned that another move to a place that was still not home would disorientate and distress them further, but was convinced by the social worker that she wholeheartedly agreed and that it would only be temporary. Christmas Eve mum and dad were moved. They have both declined since. No TV in their room, no access to newspapers, no help to find the channel they want to listen to news, no help to set up their CD player, no help to re-orientate my parents when disorientated, no access to the outside garden (which is secured), no help with hearing aids or glasses which are vital to maintain mental acuity. They are being allowed to slip.

23 January (yesterday) another meeting, originally I was told to invite the Live-In care providers. Found out 2 days before the meeting they were no longer invited and it was to discuss finance and care plans. Quick smart we forwarded care plans and costings. Opening questions were have you installed a downstairs bathroom, how much money do your parents have and what can they afford, and social workers insisted they would only allow them home with 2 live-in carers doubling the cost, also they should have enough for a year minimum, if only enough for 6 months the social worker said she would block a return home. The social workers hadn't even bothered to read the quotes sent to them. No quotes yet for downstairs bathroom as I was under impression it was not a condition for returning home, no access to parents bank accounts yet (slow solicitors), and I do not believe 2 carers are necessary, some of the other specialists back me in this, especially the one who sees my mum for weekly physio sessions.

The crux of the matter is that unlike mainland UK, Northern Ireland gives no authority to next of kin because the NI parliament did not sit since 2016 and their care provisions have not kept pace with mainland UK. In lieu of next of kin authority, care providers have instead Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS), and they wield this. Social workers seem to have ultimate legal authority and threaten legal action if they do not get agreement from family. Additionally, these social workers have dragged their feet since taking over in May 2025. We are now facing more meetings to discuss returning home, meetings about meetings, etc. The lead social worker obviously doesn't know her facts but will talk around the houses to disguise the fact. She shouts down anyone who disagrees with her. All the social workers are defensive and are so unhelpful in discussions with me. I can see a time coming when my parents will not even remember they have a home to go to, let alone know they want to live in it.

My solicitor admits I just have to jump through the hoops they make for me, meantime he is getting written confirmation of my status as "Nominated Person". He is disgusted at the treatment given to both my parents and to me. The physio who said downstairs bathroom useful but not a condition and that parents need only one carer "and at that, minimally" suggested official complaints to 1) Director of Trust, 2) Commissioner for Older People, 3) RQIA, 4) MP. Said to say Trust is responsible for their decline, that instead of reducing their liability they have increased it by neglecting parents' cognitive well-being, and that the longer they remain in a locked dementia unit the more adverse the effect on their health. My solicitors advises against complaints procedure for now.

Has anyone experienced anything similar, can anyone suggest any possible way out of the deadlock? The social workers would like to lock them up and throw away the key. My parents are retired teachers, they have given to others all their working lives, paid their taxes, they are grandparents and have life to live. I cannot believe that this can happen in a 1st world country, I'm contemplating adding to my Will that social services never by default get their hands on me. This is a great advert for assisted dying.

Thank you for reading this.

OP posts:
Sorehandsandfeet · 24/01/2026 12:55

Hi,

I'm sorry you are going through this. I do think that you need to be realistic about the way forward. You are in London and have had your own issues to deal with. My dad has dementia only recently diagnosed and the speed of the decline is shocking. He can still mask pretty well with the professionals but he is now at risk of falls as his depth and distance perception has just all but disappeared. He is still at home but with carers 3xday but we cannot leave him alone at the minute. He gets busy, takes notions and is stubborn as a mule. He's had falls and then denies they've happened, even when we've had to pick him up of the floor. The wait for a nursing home to suit his needs (In our part of NI, dad would be self funding) is currently 3-4 months.

Being fair, you are not on the ground and may be unaware of the drastic changes that can occur day to day. My dad can still put up convincing arguments as to why he is ok but he is patently wrong. We would love to hire a live in carer but we cannot find one to hire, you don't even have a downstairs bathroom which is unfeasible for dementia patients because of the risk of falling.

With all the best will in the world, your parents are lucky that they already have care home placements. You know there are people looking out for them so you can deal with your own health and life in London. If you were on the ground in NI the picture could look very different.

rookiemere · 24/01/2026 12:57

OP it sounds like such a tough time for you and I hope you are now fully recovered.

From my experience with my own DPs, social workers are usually very reluctant to put people into a home and will try for carers at home as long as is possible ( or in some cases much longer). I am so sorry as I know how hard it feels to have to be the only one advocating for your DPs, but I would say the decision to put them in a home has not been taken lightly. I would think very carefully about how it would work in reality with carers, and unfortunately with dementia they are likely to need a home at some point, so it’s only a stop gap solution.

It does sound as if they are in an awful environment so I would personally focus my efforts on understanding why they don’t have access to their newspapers of choice and see what can be done with the TV channels whilst simultaneously checking out other homes in the area. It’s hard to tell if your DPs are self funding or not, if they are then you can choose, but if not you’ll need to work with the social worker.

You sound like an amazing DD, don’t burn yourself out in the process.

rookiemere · 24/01/2026 13:32

One more thing, which is your DPs may not be reliable narrators anymore. I ask DF about his hand when I go up, last visit according to him it had been that way for years and nobody from the medical profession had ever looked at it. Except I know full well I took him to the rheumatologist less than a month ago and she gave him a set of exercises to follow which he has now forgotten entirely.

He was a professor so he is very convincing when in with medical professionals, it’s only when you spend time with him that you realise the cognitive reasoning behind his words isn’t really there. Honestly I would be delighted if both he and DM were safely in a care home, but currently he is deemed to have capacity so they ( and DH and I) struggle on in their house.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:32

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

yes, sorry, it's long, should have warned at start, knew it would be. Didn't expect everyone to read it all...

OP posts:
Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:35

Sorehandsandfeet · 24/01/2026 12:55

Hi,

I'm sorry you are going through this. I do think that you need to be realistic about the way forward. You are in London and have had your own issues to deal with. My dad has dementia only recently diagnosed and the speed of the decline is shocking. He can still mask pretty well with the professionals but he is now at risk of falls as his depth and distance perception has just all but disappeared. He is still at home but with carers 3xday but we cannot leave him alone at the minute. He gets busy, takes notions and is stubborn as a mule. He's had falls and then denies they've happened, even when we've had to pick him up of the floor. The wait for a nursing home to suit his needs (In our part of NI, dad would be self funding) is currently 3-4 months.

Being fair, you are not on the ground and may be unaware of the drastic changes that can occur day to day. My dad can still put up convincing arguments as to why he is ok but he is patently wrong. We would love to hire a live in carer but we cannot find one to hire, you don't even have a downstairs bathroom which is unfeasible for dementia patients because of the risk of falling.

With all the best will in the world, your parents are lucky that they already have care home placements. You know there are people looking out for them so you can deal with your own health and life in London. If you were on the ground in NI the picture could look very different.

Interesting (and sorry to hear about) your dad's loss of depth perception. It's all ahead of us, that is def worth bearing in mind, thank you. Downstairs bathroom would def be a good idea, it's unreasonable SWs are not even willing to discuss return home until it's done. I'm sure there's plenty they could think to ask in the meantime. There are potentially drugs to slow the decline depending on which dementia is diagnosed - waiting for a scan. We want to put in place a live-in carer, not oodles visiting and going.

OP posts:
Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:36

zipadeeday · 24/01/2026 11:27

Can you shorten that at all?

I don't understand why you don't just remove them from the home and put live-in carers in place if that's what you want?

because law in NI does not allow for next of kin to have authority, - mentioned at end of my post

OP posts:
AnnaMagnani · 24/01/2026 13:41

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:35

Interesting (and sorry to hear about) your dad's loss of depth perception. It's all ahead of us, that is def worth bearing in mind, thank you. Downstairs bathroom would def be a good idea, it's unreasonable SWs are not even willing to discuss return home until it's done. I'm sure there's plenty they could think to ask in the meantime. There are potentially drugs to slow the decline depending on which dementia is diagnosed - waiting for a scan. We want to put in place a live-in carer, not oodles visiting and going.

Really really don't get your hopes up about the drugs. They just aren't that good.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:43

AnnaMagnani · 24/01/2026 13:41

Really really don't get your hopes up about the drugs. They just aren't that good.

I'm sorry, this sounds awful for you.

OP posts:
WMW · 24/01/2026 13:46

This has been a tough time for you OP, and you clearly care very much for your parents.

But I think you are being naive about their capacity, and the idea of them moving home with one live-in carer.

You also seem to think that drugs will slow their mental decline - but they are way past that point now.

I think you should listen to the social workers, and to the care home. They won't be "locked in " their rooms, but will not be able to wander out of the home. I miagine there have been issues with your DF getting lost, or getting into difficulties, when he went to buy a newspaper. (Reading between the lines here, having had experience of dementia in two relations of mine.)

I would also take with a pinch of salt anything your DPs tell you. People with dementia are not reliable witnesses. Maybe they have been shown how to use the TV, or CD player, they just can't any more...

You are a long way away from them, and imo them returning home would result in multiples problems and scares. As it already did.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:47

lizzohadsome · 24/01/2026 11:32

I agree maybe choice of words and tones from social worker could have been better but From reading your post a nursing facility seems to be a better choice. They will have 24/7 care especially given their current medical needs. Do you have other siblings ?

Im sorry your going through this but sometimes patients wishes are not in their best interests.

I believe they would do so much better at home, and the more enlightened specialists say this too. I've seen them at home - we spent a night there, they loved it, dad got busy pruning and sweeping and playing with his gardening gear in the garage, mum sat on the sofa and worried about him. I looked after them, cooked, medicated, changed bed sheets (because we were hopelessly badly prepared), dad had the sleep of his life back in his own bed. They have pictures, paintings, books, CDs, furniture, carpets they carefully chose, everything around them that they remember and love. It's where they belong, potentially until dying days, but at least until they recognise they are no longer happy there. They are very capable of saying when going gets too tough and being practical.

OP posts:
Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:48

EvangelineTheNightStar · 24/01/2026 11:32

This, do you/your parents have the funds to pay for this?

yes but not forever, cross that bridge when we come to it.

OP posts:
plsbekinddelicate · 24/01/2026 13:49

OP, my advice is if they have a DoLS authorisation (which they should have) start a section 21A challenge via the Court of Protection that this is neither in their best interests nor the least restrictive option. Your solicitor should have advised you of this tbh but that’s the way forward here

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:49

soupyspoon · 24/01/2026 11:33

Can one carer look after them effectively OP?

I believe so, yes, depends on the carer. They're very settled when they're at home - at the minute, that will change, as it will for all of us on this chat.

OP posts:
LupaMoonhowl · 24/01/2026 13:51

It’s obvious they need to be in a nursing home /anything else is ridiculous

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:52

2026willbebetter · 24/01/2026 11:38

I’m sorry but I am with social worker in that the return home with the level of support they had in place failed.

It sounds like the bathroom needs to be sorted before they return home as they’re just not going to cope at home while the work is being down - builders in the house all day and heating, electricity and water will be switched on and off.

With the cost of the bathroom and long can they afford to self fund a live in carer? Will they need 1 or 2 living in carers? How will the carers breaks be covered?

The social workers stated "failure" by looking on paper at what had happened. They didn't see my mother being terrified in the taxi going home then all that fear shedding when she walked in the door. Wrapped up in bed at night with Dad they both waxed lyrical about how wonderful it was to be home, talked about all the little pictures and nick nacks around the home that brought back memories. No it was not a failure. My dad probably had a hypo because he felt the burden of protecting my mum. The return home was badly planned with visits and badly executed - one carer rang door bell while dad was in bed, assumed he had gone out and left. Yes home is right for them with a live-in carer, for now, not forever, same as for every one of us here.

OP posts:
Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:54

2026willbebetter · 24/01/2026 11:38

I’m sorry but I am with social worker in that the return home with the level of support they had in place failed.

It sounds like the bathroom needs to be sorted before they return home as they’re just not going to cope at home while the work is being down - builders in the house all day and heating, electricity and water will be switched on and off.

With the cost of the bathroom and long can they afford to self fund a live in carer? Will they need 1 or 2 living in carers? How will the carers breaks be covered?

re building work while living there, agree, thanks for that, helpful. Mum has felt for a long time she wants a downstairs bathroom anyway, so it was a plan. I'm just angry the social workers won't even engage in discussion until it's done. That is unreasonable and delaying

OP posts:
rookiemere · 24/01/2026 13:54

I am so sorry OP, I just don’t think you are being realistic.

Your DPs managed well at home because you were there to support them. You might be incredibly fortunate and find a wonderful live in carer , but it would need to be at least two people because they would work shifts and need holidays. But amazing carers are short on the ground and the administrative burden of two households will still fall to you. It might be doable for a short period until they decline further, but really I only think it would work ( and even then I would have reservations as social care feel they both need to be in a home) if you lived nearby.

SilverBlue56 · 24/01/2026 13:55

What about at night? You'll need different carers for night and day shift so realistically at least four in total

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:56

AnnaMagnani · 24/01/2026 11:42

How is a live in carer going to meet the needs of 2 people with dementia?

I've been a live in carer and it is a really hard job. Good live in carers are also hard to find.

Will they have somewhere private to have an undisturbed night's sleep? Work breaks?

What are they meant to do alone if your mum falls? Or your dad goes missing as he's wandered off?

It sounds like a two person job at least and no social services department anywhere in the UK is going to fund 2 live in carers.

yes it's a hard job, I did it for one night and one day. Yes, private bedroom. Work breaks covered by agency. If mum falls, either she's driven to A&E with dad in the car (they follow each other everywhere anyway), or ambulance takes her (I know which will be quicker).

OP posts:
WMW · 24/01/2026 13:56

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:54

re building work while living there, agree, thanks for that, helpful. Mum has felt for a long time she wants a downstairs bathroom anyway, so it was a plan. I'm just angry the social workers won't even engage in discussion until it's done. That is unreasonable and delaying

I'm just angry the social workers won't even engage in discussion until it's done. That is unreasonable and delaying

So you would rather your parents returned home, having to live upstairs, and so would be at massively more risk of falls or accidents?

Why do you think the social workers would agree to that, when even you think it's the best idea to have a downstairs bathroom for them?

WMW · 24/01/2026 13:58

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:56

yes it's a hard job, I did it for one night and one day. Yes, private bedroom. Work breaks covered by agency. If mum falls, either she's driven to A&E with dad in the car (they follow each other everywhere anyway), or ambulance takes her (I know which will be quicker).

Work breaks covered by agency

So then they have strangers coming into their home? That would surely be upsetting for them. One carer cannot work 24/7/365.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 13:59

BillieWiper · 24/01/2026 11:42

Surely if they genuinely don't have the funds for more than six months worth of home care, you can just get it for six months? If it's private how can SW stop you?
Is it that the social workers are basically in control and your parents wishes are no longer legally valid?

Are they trying to encourage/force the sale of the house in order to fund longer term care in a home? Or could they move somewhere smaller/more accessible? They may not be what they want it now, but almost certainly will need in the future.

I'm so sorry you're going through all this. It sounds so stressful. X

Edited

Surely if they genuinely don't have the funds for more than six months worth of home care, you can just get it for six months? - yes. Even 1-2 months would be worth it.

If it's private how can SW stop you? - Difference between English & NI law sadly.
Is it that the social workers are basically in control and your parents wishes are no longer legally valid? - yes and yes
Are they trying to encourage/force the sale of the house in order to fund longer term care in a home? - not yet
Or could they move somewhere smaller/more accessible? - would still make them disorientated and it's not home, but understand.

They may not be what they want it now, but almost certainly will need in the future. - agree, we aren't there yet. There's still life in the old dogs yet.

I'm so sorry you're going through all this. It sounds so stressful. X - yes, thank you v much, I'm horrified.

OP posts:
AnnaQuayInTheUk · 24/01/2026 14:00

LupaMoonhowl · 24/01/2026 13:51

It’s obvious they need to be in a nursing home /anything else is ridiculous

Not obvious at all. There's nothing to suggest the OP's mum needs to be in a nursing home. I don't understand why she was placed in a nursing home rather than a care home.

@Mrstiggywiddle you sound as though you're trying your best, but it also sounds as though your mum has deteriorated to a point where being at home, even with live in care, isn't going to provide enough support. And presumably your dad wants to be wherever she is.

Has the social worker explained why your mum is in a nursing home rather than a care home, albeit one with a dementia unit? I would look into alternative placements if I were you.

And as others have said, the narrative your parents give is not necessarily reliable.

Mrstiggywiddle · 24/01/2026 14:02

Cherubneddy · 24/01/2026 11:47

Jesus, what don’t people understand about OPs clearly written explanation! She can’t just take them home because Best Interest decisions have been made by the social workers and others that have legal authority.
OP I am SO SORRY what you are going through. I work as a practice lead in social work for older people in the UK. Admittedly I have only heard your side, but from what you present, the social workers are being incredibly risk adverse. One of the driving forces for me in my role is to endure social workers are not risk adverse like this. Too often social workers don’t consider the BENEFITS to a person’s wellbeing of being able to take risks, just like all of us do everyday.
I don’t know the law in NI, but clearly the Mental Capacity Act 2005 applies, and your solicitor can support you in making an application to the Court of Protection for a Welfare Order to be made: essentially the court decides where your mum and dad live. Courts tend to come down hard on risk adverse decision making. I also don’t know whether The Care Act applies in NI, but if it does, the Wellbeing Principle under that should be considered.
I’m presuming you don’t have Lasting Power of Attorney?

you sound like a very good person to know!! I'm just sad there aren't more of you. Don't know about Welfare Order, not sure if we can do that in NI. Will ask. I have "Enduring Power of ATtorney", it doesn't allow for health and welfare, just finances/estate. NI's system is not fit for purpose in words of my solicitor.

OP posts:
Itsmetheflamingo · 24/01/2026 14:05

OP I’m so sorry. I have no Knowledge but couldn’t not post; I felt sick just reading your post. Sending love