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Elderly parents

I blame Escape to the Country!

621 replies

Mini712 · 21/03/2024 16:33

Is anyone else in the same situation?

My parents retired 12 years ago & decided to retire to Dorset. At the time, I was pretty upset that they were moving away from me and my young family but accepted their decision.
During those 12 years they have had an amazing retirement, living in a beautiful part of the country and travelling the world with fancy holidays & cruises galore! But more recently their health has started to fail so they can’t do as much anymore and Mum in particular is feeling a bit isolated which as meant they now want to see us more. They come and stay with us regularly(usually for at least a week!) every other month but we live 3 hours away so we can’t just pop in for a cup of tea.
I am now feeling guilty as I don’t want them to feel lonely but also resentment as it wasn’t me that moved in the first place!
Last saw them 2 weeks ago when they stayed with us for a week but now getting pressure from Mum to see them over Easter. Should I cave in and see them even though I had planned to spend Easter with hubby & sons?

By the way I have a brother but he rarely calls them, let alone visits or has them to stay

Any thoughts would be appreciated ❤️

OP posts:
NeedthatFridayfeeling · 25/03/2024 10:25

I would be a no for Easter, it isn't fair that they are leaning on you so much. If you keep caving they have no incentive to move closer.

Bignanny30 · 25/03/2024 10:26

They won’t be here for ever OP. They’re getting older 😔

MereDintofPandiculation · 25/03/2024 10:41

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/03/2024 10:28

Must say that any ideas of ‘escaping to the country’ died after we spent many weekends with friends who lived down a steep, very narrow lane in rural N Devon. All very nice for a few days, but…
You had to get in the car and drive 15 mins for a pint of milk - they even had to drive to anywhere they could safely let their dogs off the lead.

And one of them eventually became unable to drive - and it was an hour’s drive to his many hospital appts.
After he died, his widow moved to a city flat with a good balcony, and loves where she is now.

I get your point! We lived in the country for a while. Very beautiful, but all farmland with no public rights of way. Now we are in an ex-mill town. Ginnels everywhere, a cornershop 100yds away, and from our house we can walk to parkland, nature reserve or woodland, all on footpaths.

But there’s an awful lot between isolated rural and city. Larger village or small town can have facilities without losing access to countryside.

someonethatyoulovetoomuch · 25/03/2024 10:41

We could have ended up in this situation; my dad for years was trying to get my mum to move to the country but she refused because she didn’t want to live so far from me & DSis (and any potential future DGC). As fate would have it, my work moved me, DH & DS1 to Scotland 5 years ago and my parents followed us, so now we all live in the same village. DSis is looking for jobs in the nearest city to us now as well which is amazing. I honestly don’t know what we’d have done if they’d moved away and left us behind, they’re close to 70 and I’m aware won’t be in good health forever.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/03/2024 10:48

MereDintofPandiculation · 25/03/2024 10:41

I get your point! We lived in the country for a while. Very beautiful, but all farmland with no public rights of way. Now we are in an ex-mill town. Ginnels everywhere, a cornershop 100yds away, and from our house we can walk to parkland, nature reserve or woodland, all on footpaths.

But there’s an awful lot between isolated rural and city. Larger village or small town can have facilities without losing access to countryside.

Sounds as if you have the best of both worlds. A DSis had similar, small town in the Yorkshire Dales, lovely house quietly tucked in behind the High St. Their kitchen window looked straight out over the fells (they were keen walkers) but if you were out of tonic for your G&Ts, it was a 3 minute walk to either of the small supermarkets.

MereDintofPandiculation · 25/03/2024 11:01

Blanketie · 24/03/2024 18:23

I try to avoid taking on the sexist mental load at work and in life (even if I get shit for it). Generally worth it even if people hate me.

But now I'm finding I'm the age where I'm being romantically targeted by elderly men wanting a "nurse with a purse".

It never ends! :-D

That made me laugh. My Dad became very friendly with an elderly widow. I gently enquired about his intentions, and he made it clear he had no intention of marrying a lady who was likely to require care in the future Grin (He’d already cared for his own wife through a long illness)

HippyCritical · 25/03/2024 11:02

Mini712 · 24/03/2024 15:58

@blueshoes I know what answer I would get - “ we aren’t at that stage yet”

I've only read your posts @Mini712 so apologise if I'm repeating what PPs have said but a good answer to that would be to ask them if it wouldn't be better to be making the choice rather than it being a necessity, which would make it even more stressful than any move would be.

I feel for you and hope you can get somewhere when you broach it with them Flowers

DarrylPhilbin · 25/03/2024 11:05

Bignanny30 · 25/03/2024 10:26

They won’t be here for ever OP. They’re getting older 😔

None of us will be here forever and we are all getting older-what's your point apart from attempting some nice emotional manipulation?

MereDintofPandiculation · 25/03/2024 11:16

PeaceandCakes · 24/03/2024 13:05

It also works the other way.

I moved away from my parents when I was 21. I did so for work. I met DH and his work was where we live now. He didn't want to move closer to my family (his was an equal distance away- 5 hours.) We also didn't want to uproot our children from their schools.

I've now been in the situation where for 15 years, I've had to travel to my parents (5 hours away) as they are not well enough to make the trip to me - and even if they took the train, they like their own home and their own beds.

However, unlike the OP, my parents have a very good network of friends , neighbours, and a sibling not as far away as I am.

I don't see them as much as I want, as I have adult children and grandchildren.

I often think they should have moved closer to me when they could, 25 years ago, but they didn't want to.

Yes, very sensibly. How could you, as one person, fill in for the network of friends and neighbours that they had established?

Iwasafool · 25/03/2024 11:16

Mini712 · 25/03/2024 10:11

Yes, your DH sounds just like my dad.

It’s the not even being prepared to talk about it that upsets me. I was hoping they could sort it out together and come to a compromise but it looks like I’m going to have to get involved.

I do sympathise and hope your DH will come round.

Thank you but he won't. The thing that annoys me is I think if I died before him he'd sell up and move nearer to kids so he had help. I don't think he can quite grasp that I'm getting older it isn't just him.

toomuchcardboard · 25/03/2024 11:18

It's frequently a big mistake to retire to a favourite holiday area without some endgame in mind. I live in a seaside town in Dorset (I grew up here, but am now retired) and have many aquaintences who have retired here, often after owning a second holiday home here. This pushes up house prices and decimates rental home market so young people can't afford to live here.
Consequently there is a double whammy on public services - no younger relatives nearby so high demand for adult care services... but lack of carers because they can't afford to live here on carer's wages. Retirees get too old to drive but the bus service is woeful outside of big towns, hospitals bunged up with elderly that could be discharged, if there were carers available to help them at home...

From the Dorset Council website

"Dorset Council area has a population of 380,000 residents, 29% of whom are aged 65 and older (compared to 19% in England and Wales). Dorset is an attractive place, and many people choose to retire here. It has a large population of older people, and relatively low birth rates. Currently there are over 7,000 people in Dorset living with dementia, and the number is increasing. Younger people often move away from the area. The population continues to grow slowly, driven by people moving into the county and longer life expectancy. The greatest area of population growth is among over 65s. Dorset’s working age population is expected to see a marginal decline over the next 25 years."

nonmerci99 · 25/03/2024 11:20

SkankingWombat · 24/03/2024 08:39

I think there is a lot of denial of old age on this thread and "it will never happen to me" going on.

Not really, I think that comes from the DPs who are moving, not their adult DCs. It certainly did in my case.
My DM and stepF were big Escape To The Country fans. They decided to upsticks and move 4.5hrs away to a listed farmhouse they could run as a B&B in their early 60s. My DGPs had been hoteliers at one time and DM fancied following in their footsteps. I was very clear about my concerns of them aging so far away from us whilst living in a house with high maintenance needs. I explained how infrequently we'd be able to visit and that we would be starting to try for a baby in a year or two, not because we expected childcare, but because I knew DM how much would want to be able to spend time with them and that it would further reduce our ability to visit. It fell on deaf ears. Even when DM was diagnosed with cancer during the purchase process, they weren't deterred, as they were 'moving close to one of the best oncology departments in the country'. DD1 was born 2 years later, and we and they visited when we could, but between the baby's needs, work schedules and DM's ongoing treatment and lowered immune system, it was nowhere near enough either to offer practical support or give DM the contact time with DD she craved. We spoke daily on the phone and I was always sending photos and videos of DD, but it wasn't the same. DM's cancer finally killed her 3 years after they moved, leaving stepF rattling around a huge property he couldn't afford to run and maintain on only his pension and unable to run the business (DM did all the donkey work for this, despite her illness, around her treatment). He actually had the fucking cheek to say, after her death, how sad she had felt about not seeing very much of me and DD and how disappointed she had been we'd not come more often, as if I had been negligent by not visiting more. He told me how she'd watch the videos I sent and get upset that she wasn't there with DD; it was so manipulative and intended to guilt trip me (he is not a nice person). I could not have been blunter about my worries about how the move would work in reality when they first raised it as a possibility and all through the moving process, not to mention it isn't fair to try and make me feel bad about a decision I had no say in.
He is still there 9 years on, but now can no longer do anything but the smallest maintenance jobs himself. As DM's share of the house is held in trust for me and he has the right of lifetime tenancy, I am now burdened with 50% of the maintenance costs of a large listed property until he chooses to sell and downsize (at which point I'm liable for stamp duty) or dies. He quickly found another woman, so he's been able to meet the day to day costs again at least, but that doesn't help the costs I'm now lumbered with. The whole thing was, and continues to be, a total mess.

This is so terribly sad. I'm so sorry for your loss, and that your mum didn't have the time with her granddaughter she so wanted. ❤

JPGR · 25/03/2024 11:21

I think you should definitely put your foot down about them not visiting over Easter. Harsh as it sounds, you need to show them the reality of living so far away. If you make life easy for them, then that will never happen.

Overthehillbutnotveryfar · 25/03/2024 11:27

I completely understand . We made the decision to move half an hour from our daughters (no sons) and grandchildren 3 years ago after we retired ( at 65) We lived a 6 hour round trip away. It’s been as tough as hell to move but totally worthwhile and we all help each other (mostly us helping them) but have our own lives. We have planned for the future way too early with a bungalow and public transport at hand etc but we only wanted to move once !
This will only get worse as your parents age and need more support - your parents must put their sensible hats on and consider a move now . You do need to set boundaries (easier said than done) and prioritise yourself and your family. Work out what is acceptable to you as a family (DH included - does he have ageing parents too?) and be clear about it with your parents .
Why is your mother now so keen to move back I wonder? She must have friends etc where she is ?
Could they afford to rent somewhere or regularly book a holiday cottage ?
Is their current home suitable for them ? Absolutely think to the future and are arrange things like POA.
They have a responsibility to shoulder their part on this and it should not just all be on you . I fear that at 80 your father really will find it hard to move - but the flip side of that is that he will find it harder to travel too and your mother may become more dependant . Have they planned for future care needs ?
Don’t let guilt and emotion cloud your judgement - you are totally entitled to put yourself and your family first as that is your future. Hard as it sounds your parents made their choice and they will have to resolve the consequences .
good luck .

Iwasafool · 25/03/2024 11:28

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/03/2024 10:28

Must say that any ideas of ‘escaping to the country’ died after we spent many weekends with friends who lived down a steep, very narrow lane in rural N Devon. All very nice for a few days, but…
You had to get in the car and drive 15 mins for a pint of milk - they even had to drive to anywhere they could safely let their dogs off the lead.

And one of them eventually became unable to drive - and it was an hour’s drive to his many hospital appts.
After he died, his widow moved to a city flat with a good balcony, and loves where she is now.

I hate Devon lanes with a passion, in particular I hate the people who think they are such good drivers they can bomb down a narrow, twisting lane with no clue that people might just be round the next bend heading towards them until it is too late.

Mini712 · 25/03/2024 11:30

toomuchcardboard · 25/03/2024 11:18

It's frequently a big mistake to retire to a favourite holiday area without some endgame in mind. I live in a seaside town in Dorset (I grew up here, but am now retired) and have many aquaintences who have retired here, often after owning a second holiday home here. This pushes up house prices and decimates rental home market so young people can't afford to live here.
Consequently there is a double whammy on public services - no younger relatives nearby so high demand for adult care services... but lack of carers because they can't afford to live here on carer's wages. Retirees get too old to drive but the bus service is woeful outside of big towns, hospitals bunged up with elderly that could be discharged, if there were carers available to help them at home...

From the Dorset Council website

"Dorset Council area has a population of 380,000 residents, 29% of whom are aged 65 and older (compared to 19% in England and Wales). Dorset is an attractive place, and many people choose to retire here. It has a large population of older people, and relatively low birth rates. Currently there are over 7,000 people in Dorset living with dementia, and the number is increasing. Younger people often move away from the area. The population continues to grow slowly, driven by people moving into the county and longer life expectancy. The greatest area of population growth is among over 65s. Dorset’s working age population is expected to see a marginal decline over the next 25 years."

So true. I’ll mention the above☝️next time I see my dad👍🏻

OP posts:
Geebray · 25/03/2024 11:33

Re the long term issue, I think you and your DM need to make it as easy as possible for your DF to move.

You and she should decide on a suitable area. Find out where the local doctor's surgery is. Measure time to the nearest hospital. Look at homes on the market in the area. Print out a few. Find a really good removal firm that will also pack things up.

Just ease your DF into the whole process. "Moving house" sounds like such a massive thing, until you break it down into copable pieces.

Geebray · 25/03/2024 11:35

Come up with all the pros of him moving - closer to you, closer to medical amenities, less reliant on driving. Just think of every single one of his objections, and deal with it before he raises it. Ease him into the whole process until he barely realises it's happening.

Visit the area with them. Drive around. Find some lovely places to visit, tea rooms, pubs, cafes, shops, etc. If you physically put him in the area, it will become more real to him and more of a possibility.

Geebray · 25/03/2024 11:36

But don't just sit him down and say "You need to move!".

Sort it all out beforehand.

Mini712 · 25/03/2024 11:44

Overthehillbutnotveryfar · 25/03/2024 11:27

I completely understand . We made the decision to move half an hour from our daughters (no sons) and grandchildren 3 years ago after we retired ( at 65) We lived a 6 hour round trip away. It’s been as tough as hell to move but totally worthwhile and we all help each other (mostly us helping them) but have our own lives. We have planned for the future way too early with a bungalow and public transport at hand etc but we only wanted to move once !
This will only get worse as your parents age and need more support - your parents must put their sensible hats on and consider a move now . You do need to set boundaries (easier said than done) and prioritise yourself and your family. Work out what is acceptable to you as a family (DH included - does he have ageing parents too?) and be clear about it with your parents .
Why is your mother now so keen to move back I wonder? She must have friends etc where she is ?
Could they afford to rent somewhere or regularly book a holiday cottage ?
Is their current home suitable for them ? Absolutely think to the future and are arrange things like POA.
They have a responsibility to shoulder their part on this and it should not just all be on you . I fear that at 80 your father really will find it hard to move - but the flip side of that is that he will find it harder to travel too and your mother may become more dependant . Have they planned for future care needs ?
Don’t let guilt and emotion cloud your judgement - you are totally entitled to put yourself and your family first as that is your future. Hard as it sounds your parents made their choice and they will have to resolve the consequences .
good luck .

Thank you@Overthehillbutnotveryfar . DPs only have Mum’s sister and brother in law close by & no other friends or community in Dorset.
They chat to neighbours but have not made any lasting friendships.

Mum’s sister and husband are seven years younger and have their own DC and DGC now so are not around as much and I also think they are distancing themselves from my parents which I think has escalated Mum’s need to move back.

DH also has an elderly mum and stepfather who also live in Dorset🙄 but he doesn’t have a close relationship with them so finds it easier to set boundaries.

OP posts:
YouveGotAFastCar · 25/03/2024 11:46

*I know. I think there is a lot of denial of old age on this thread and "it will never happen to me" going on.

And as most of us are parents on here, we know how much love, time, effort and money we pour in to our dc for 20 odd years. Bearing in mind that most of us will hit the point when we need a bit of help in our frail later years, is it so unreasonable to have the expectation that if you have loving parents, you help them out a little?*

There is a lot of denial, but I think it's the way of the parents, not the kids. Look at the way the world is going. It's massively unlikely that your children will have the time or energy to "help out" when you get old. They'll likely be working all hours, and looking after their own kids. The "sandwich" years get longer and harder with every generation that passes. It won't exist when current 40 and 50 year olds need it, let alone when I do.

My DH's parents have always been clear that they don't want residential care. DH apparently agreed as a child that he'd care for them. I don't know how they'll fit it in. We have young children to look after, full-time work, nursery runs. There's decreasing time for friends and fitness, let alone managing another household. And let's face it, it's not like a day a week will be enough, or dropping off a bag of shopping.

It's an unfair and unrealistic expectation. It'll put massive pressure on marriages and families, as well as finances. It's the job of the adults to prepare - that means moving somewhere suitable, and having the money for the care option they want, which is probably going to be carers in their own home for most people. It's not fair to pass it to the children and say, "I spent 20 years looking after you" - yeah, you did, but it wasn't a selfless task, and it wasn't done to "bank" years of care in your older life. I genuinely can't see why you'd want to ask them to do this.

Perhaps it's different if you're all very well-off, and nobody needs to work.

GnomeDePlume · 25/03/2024 11:49

There is a follow on programme called I Escaped to The Country (available on iplayer).

It's an interesting watch. Some things I notice in the post move section:

  • the best friend who would be visiting 'all the time' is nowhere in sight
  • the new friends are all also 'blow ins' to the community
  • there seems to be a lot of drinking involved in the new friendship groups

It reminds me a lot of expat communities (we lived abroad for a while).

For professional expats this is fine. They will be moving on again in a few years. Far more risky for the retiring expats for all the reasons given by PPs.

DarrylPhilbin · 25/03/2024 12:01

YouveGotAFastCar · 25/03/2024 11:46

*I know. I think there is a lot of denial of old age on this thread and "it will never happen to me" going on.

And as most of us are parents on here, we know how much love, time, effort and money we pour in to our dc for 20 odd years. Bearing in mind that most of us will hit the point when we need a bit of help in our frail later years, is it so unreasonable to have the expectation that if you have loving parents, you help them out a little?*

There is a lot of denial, but I think it's the way of the parents, not the kids. Look at the way the world is going. It's massively unlikely that your children will have the time or energy to "help out" when you get old. They'll likely be working all hours, and looking after their own kids. The "sandwich" years get longer and harder with every generation that passes. It won't exist when current 40 and 50 year olds need it, let alone when I do.

My DH's parents have always been clear that they don't want residential care. DH apparently agreed as a child that he'd care for them. I don't know how they'll fit it in. We have young children to look after, full-time work, nursery runs. There's decreasing time for friends and fitness, let alone managing another household. And let's face it, it's not like a day a week will be enough, or dropping off a bag of shopping.

It's an unfair and unrealistic expectation. It'll put massive pressure on marriages and families, as well as finances. It's the job of the adults to prepare - that means moving somewhere suitable, and having the money for the care option they want, which is probably going to be carers in their own home for most people. It's not fair to pass it to the children and say, "I spent 20 years looking after you" - yeah, you did, but it wasn't a selfless task, and it wasn't done to "bank" years of care in your older life. I genuinely can't see why you'd want to ask them to do this.

Perhaps it's different if you're all very well-off, and nobody needs to work.

Bloody hell your DH's parents railroaded a child into making that sort of promise? That's awful.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/03/2024 12:13

Catmum007 · 24/03/2024 20:23

@Mini712
I’m maybe going to be slightly controversial here!
I’m 50 with 2 teenage dds.
We lost both my in-laws to cancer within a year of each other,my MIL just before my oldest was born and my FIL when she was 1.My Dad died when the girls were 2 and 5 months old.
So,they grew up with my Mum as their only Grandparent.She lived an hour and a half away and was very fit,she visited regularly and the girls loved going to stay with her(ironically she lived in Dorset!).
Tragically,she developed breast cancer when the girls were 5 and 7 and died 2 years later.
What I’m trying to say is,they’re gone so soon.My Mum would have loved to see my girls grow up and they miss her so much.
Yes,it’s hard when they’re poorly and,if they haven’t got a good network where they are,maybe encouraging them to move closer would be a good idea,but just remember,you only have one set of parents and when they’re gone,they’re gone.

Your circumstances, I.e your sole remaining parent dying relatively young, is bound to have coloured your ideas.

My DF died at 72, but my Dm went on to 97 - having had dementia since her very early 80s, and FiL also had it, but not for so long.

So my own experience has made me determined that dds will never be expected to look after, or run around after me, or dh either, and he’s of the same mind.
If we need care in future, we will pay for it.

TerfTalking · 25/03/2024 12:38

Mini712 · 21/03/2024 16:50

Mum would move back in a heart beat but Dad won’t even enter into a conversation about moving back. He has lot of health issues and doesn’t want to change doctors or hospitals.

This is terribly sad. A few of my friends have had elderly parents that moved away (2 abroad one to the country) when they first retired but as they have aged she has wanted to return and he won't. She has usually outlived him then been stuck alone miles away, lonely and increasingly demanding.

It's bloody tough enough caring for elderlies when they live two streets away, this can only get harder, I feel for you.