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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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IMustDoMoreExercise · 07/08/2023 15:18

studentgrant · 07/08/2023 13:38

That said, I'm sorry for your stress.

No, you aren't. You just want people to suffer.

FlipsyDo86 · 07/08/2023 15:18

Total sympathy for you @Poochypaws as I've been there, but myself and siblings were in our twenties. I feel like it has had a profound effect on my Dsis as she put her life on hold for 4 years, missing out on friends, relationships etc. She wanted to do it but she's still trying to piece her life together years later after relative has passed. It did a number on us all and my relative never wanted that, but as the disease took hold they didn't know the impact it had. I for one would happily vote for a bill to allow euthanasia, and I'd take anyone up on the offer if I find myself in a similar situation in the future.

PerrinAybara · 07/08/2023 15:18

Badbudgeter · 07/08/2023 13:45

Its not an uncommon viewpoint. There is a reason pneumonia used to be referred as an old man’s friend. Nowadays uti and chest infections are treated with antibiotics without considering whether the individual concerned would be better off if just left to slip away.

Like a pp I hope that euthanasia is legalised in my lifetime.

DM had a massive stroke last year. For a few months they treated her, and she had lots of antibiotics for recurrent chest infections/pneumonia. In the end, there was a conversation between her and her doctor and it was agreed no more antibiotics. She passed away a few weeks later. Obviously upsetting for us, but the right decision for her.

mrsjackrussell · 07/08/2023 15:19

@alleillveoka
So sorry this happened to you. I hope you have a fulfilling life now.x

IMustDoMoreExercise · 07/08/2023 15:20

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:43

sinister? Why?

My opinion It's because no prime minister or whoever that needs to authorise it has the balls to say this situation can't go on.

My beloved pet who I love more than anything in the whole world who has brought me nothing but joy will one day be old and sick.

When that happens I will need to find the strength to have him put to sleep. Not for my sake. I will be utterly heartbroken. For his sake so he does not suffer.

This is what we need for humans. (and yes of course we need safeguards etc)

You are so right.

I have not been through what you have been through but I understand what you have been through.

It is amazing how many politicians only change their minds about Assisted Dying once they have seen someone they care about go through what your parent ha gone through. It is as if they are devoid of empathy.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 07/08/2023 15:21

theemmadilemma · 07/08/2023 13:52

I can tell you who is benefitting. Big Pharma and the chain of people who's pockets are being lined to keep that happening.

Think long and hard about that. Let that sink in, sit with it.

Yes, exactly.

Havingablast · 07/08/2023 15:25

@Poochypaws

I really admire you for having the courage to say this - entirely back you 100%. I hope you have some respite soon.

HotelNotPortofino · 07/08/2023 15:29

I too hear you and am very sorry for what you are going through.

DF ‘defied’ almost certain death many times over his last 5 years, probably through sheer stubbornness, and a dementia affected mind that led him to believe he was younger, stronger and more capable than his body was.

We were lucky enough to afford help at home, but even with that a huge amount fell to me. Even when I was ‘off’, my phone had to be on for the inevitable emergency, and I still panic when my phone rings with an unknown number or late at night.

Now, months after his death, and having got through the initial grief and death admin and almost hoard level clearing, I stop, breathe and relive just how stressful his last years, months and weeks were. Death was certainly a relief, for us both. And I am in favour of euthanasia for myself when needed.

OhComeOnFFS · 07/08/2023 15:30

Actually I find it obscene that they give someone who is suffering from advanced dementia something like antibiotics to prolong their life.

Rosiem2808 · 07/08/2023 15:31

@theemmadilemma ·
I can tell you who is benefitting. Big Pharma and the chain of people who's pockets are being lined to keep that happening.

Think long and hard about that. Let that sink in, sit with it.

I was just about to say something similar when I read your post. It is spot on

MoserRothOrangeandAlmond · 07/08/2023 15:31

@Poochypaws in my experience as a nurse a lot of people don't talk about death and are frightened by it.
A lot of people don't want to engage in conversations about Do not resuscitate orders or Emergency health care plans are advanced directives.
Relatives are wanting their family members to be actively treat. I work mainly in the community where there are a lot of people who are in their late 90s, nursed in bed, have poor hearing, poor eyesight, unable to turn themselves in bed, incontinent etc and a lot of family members contacting us to assess them for UTIs/chest infections/skin infections.
A lot of them don't want DNRs, don't have emergency health care plans to state if they want to be treat in hospital or at home or be kept comfortable at home.
It's the hardest part of my job having to have these conversations when people are at crisis points to whether they stay at home or go to hospital etc

changedusernameforthis1 · 07/08/2023 15:33

I had similar with my Mum. She survived cancer, a heart attack, several strokes and severe pneumonia. Each time I put my life on hold to care for her. The last time she went into hospital I was taken into a private room and told her chance of surviving was 1% if that. She survived! About a year later she chatted to me on the phone, said she felt a bit off so was having an early night and the next day we found out she'd died of a sudden heart attack. I was grief stricken but there was also a huge sense of relief there, too. Hang in there and be gentle with yourself 💐

Jamjarcandlestick · 07/08/2023 15:35

When I was a teen I worked as a waitress.

Three siblings sat down at noon and ordered a bottle of Moet. The manager came over and asked what they were celebrating. Their mum had passed away in her sleep that morning after fighting dementia. At the time I mortified how three people could be celebrating that their poor mum had died.

As an adult I get it.

truthhurts23 · 07/08/2023 15:46

these are human beings you are talking about, elderly people deserve to be looked after until they pass away naturally, you sound very callous
I dont care how stressed you are , YOU chose to take on the burden of this
I do hate it when people make their own life difficult and then compain about it

I have personal experience with an eldery family member and whilst it is very consuming and difficult , we have never complained about it , not once
because we love him and every year he is still alive is a blessing
I cant believe you are angry because you want someone to die , you need to sort yourself out , you will be their age one day

oakleaffy · 07/08/2023 15:49

@Poochypaws What a heroic post.!
so raw and honest.

Some old people grind on for ever.
Usually the difficult grumpy ones.

Caring is bloody hard.

You have been marvellous.

I want euthanasia for myself - couldn’t bear to have son feeling as you do-
I agree those with zero quality of life are being kept alive - for whose benefits?
care home owners?!
Nothing else.

Epic post.

Well done!

NotImpressedByYourBragging · 07/08/2023 15:49

studentgrant · 07/08/2023 13:37

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I fing that a very sinister remark

As a Community Care Worker of 20-odd years, it's absolutely the truth

EmmaEmerald · 07/08/2023 15:50

I've had two colleagues go through this. I know dying isn't an exact science and we had the opposite problem with my dad, who was clearly dying but they wouldn't try to get him a hospice place, it was weird.

All I can say is I'm really sorry OP. It must be horrendous. I don't understand why we don't have a euthanasia option either.

Ejismyf · 07/08/2023 15:51

We were told 2 weeks ago my 65 year old mum has terminal cancer that is very aggressive and she will have 2 to 3 months "if lucky". The outlook of how it will end with her basically starving to death and wasting away is terrifying and she herself has said that it is unfair we can euthanise animals but humans are left to suffer, leaving family traumatised and spending money on NHS care etc that wouldnt be needed if required.

Choux · 07/08/2023 15:51

@truthhurts23 you say WE have never complained about it. So you have support and someone to share the burden?

Just because you haven't (yet) reached your breaking point in terms the toll caring for another takes doesn't mean someone else hasn't. It's tough mentally - don't you agree? - to be a carer and the OP threw herself into it thinking it would be for a few months as the person was very ill. The months have turned into years and she has been giving a level of care she expected to be for a short period.

You seem to have a lot of compassion for your own family member but none to offer OP?

Elsiebear90 · 07/08/2023 15:55

Im a HCP, we definitely do over treat in the NHS to the point it becomes cruel imo. We often have conversations at work when we have to forcibly hold down a scared patient with dementia who is terrified and screaming “stop!” because they have no idea what is going on and we are forcing them to have a painful scary procedure to yet again extend their life, but we have no choice.

We can’t refuse to treat someone just because they have dementia or a poor quality of life, we can refuse treatment if we think there’s no reasonable expectation that this will extend or improve their life, or the risks are too high, but if it comes down to “if we don’t do this they will almost certainly die, and if we do it they will/might live” then we have no choice.

gamerchick · 07/08/2023 15:56

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

So glad to read this OP. It's the only way to force their hand. They will take from you for as long as possible. Which they have.

No way I'd do any of what you've done. When a person needs so much care, they need to be in the right place for it.

Fraaahnces · 07/08/2023 15:58

@Poochypaws I was expecting to be relieved when my mother died. In fact I was utterly traumatised and I grieved for the mother I never had. I compared my feelings for my own kids and wondered why she never felt the same for me. It took a long time and a lot of counselling to realise that she missed out. There were a few moments of hilarity, I will admit… including my husband asking if there was anything he could do to make the day more bearable when we were en route to her funeral and I asked if we could stop off and grab some holy water and a wooden stake. When we arrived, we had shaking shoulders, streaking tears and our faces covered and people assumed that we were sobbing. It was giggles.

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 07/08/2023 16:00

The NHS is totally committed to keeping us all alive right to the bitter end. You are not allowed to die these days.

I want a living will set up for myself so I don't have to go through it.

ChatBFP · 07/08/2023 16:01

@Elsiebear90

Yes, so really the test should be amended for quality of life. Firstly, do they have it at all? That's really hard for HCPs to assess, so I guess that is what treatment protocols should cover - people should not just be asked about DNRs, but also the circumstances in which they wish to have their life no longer extended as the "quality" would be gone.

Hbh17 · 07/08/2023 16:03

OP, you are not wrong. Quality of life is so much more important than quantity. I would vote for any political party who promised to bring in legal euthanasia and assisted suicide - it is the most important issue we face as a population. I hope you get a satisfactory resolution soon.

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