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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Jellycats4life · 07/08/2023 14:13

I’m so sorry you’re going through this OP.

I watched my mum go through similar when my Nan had dementia and it was hell. She nearly had a breakdown. Thankfully, it being dementia, there was no capacity to refuse going into a care home.

It’s shit, being old and sick. Sometimes it feels like, now I’m in my 40s, all I have to look forward to is my parents/in laws getting old and sick (FIL is already there) and then getting old and sick myself.

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 14:13

RosesAndHellebores · 07/08/2023 13:45

Have you requested a discussion with the lead consultant about the diagnosis, prognosis, and care plan? If not you need to do it urgently. The NHS needs to be accountable for it's actions and what it communicates. Turning this on it's head, how awful your relative was told they had six months to live and many years layer .
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I think the point is a doctors estimation is just that. An estimation. It seems from my experience and others on here that doctors quite often are completely wrong with this. I guess dying is not an exact science.

Yes relative is doped up to the eyes on antidepressants so not enjoying it either.

I think GP etc is genuinely surprised at how long relative has lived for.

Thanks for posting though.

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Whichwhatnow · 07/08/2023 14:15

Oneweektogo2023 · 07/08/2023 13:36

I pray Euthanasia becomes legal in the next few years I would like to exit in my own terms.

I echo this. I am only late 30s but have a life limiting illness that is not going to get any better and by all accounts is very unpleasant towards the end, involving usually the loss of mental as well as physical faculties. I have already discussed with my DH and family that, when it comes to the point of no return, while I won't ask for their actual help I will ask them not to stand in my way if I want to take things into my own hands. I want our lasting memories together to be happy ones. Sorry to be morbid. I hope for as quick and hopefully pain-free as possible an exit for both myself and my elderly family members.

My DH has a job that involves providing care for very elderly, frail people, often with varying degrees of dementia. For many it is an existence rather than a life. Several talk to him frankly (in their more lucid moments) about wanting it all to be over but not having the guts and/or the physical ability to do anything about it. What is the benefit or purpose, to anyone involved, of dragging such a situation out??

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 14:18

Badbudgeter · 07/08/2023 13:45

Its not an uncommon viewpoint. There is a reason pneumonia used to be referred as an old man’s friend. Nowadays uti and chest infections are treated with antibiotics without considering whether the individual concerned would be better off if just left to slip away.

Like a pp I hope that euthanasia is legalised in my lifetime.

so I wonder why they treat UTI's now then? My relative has certainly been treated countless times for UTI's, eye infections, tooth infections.

I mean we have had antibiotics for years and years so why did we used to not treat them and let the old person slip away, but we do now. Are doctors scared to getting into trouble more now? Is it because of the Shipman doctor thing?

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FunnysInLaJardin · 07/08/2023 14:20

I hear you @Poochypaws . My dad took years to die aged 92 of dementia and all the while mum, who was 89 when he died, cared for him at home as he had said he would only 'leave this house in a box'. I can't count the number of times we were told he was about to die, only for him to rally round the next morning.

This destroyed my mums mental health and 6 months after he died she had a massive nervous breakdown with delirium and psychosis.

She had to immediately move into a care home where she just about existed until she died last year aged 94.

She spent the last 5 years of her life sobbing basically. It was awful to witness and I would not wish that on anybody

RainyWeekend · 07/08/2023 14:22

Oh OP I read your OP and following answers with dread. Expecting you to be ripped apart!

I'm so glad you're getting the sounding board you so desperately need. It may to change anything but hopefully it's helping you.

Myself and many of my middle aged female friends have been in similar positions. Running ragged with teenage kids, full time jobs and the extra load of an elderly incapable parent. Or even parent-in-law!!!

It's soul destroying, the parent if they have dementia, isn't usually the same loving parent.

It's hell on Earth for everyone concerned and I too hope there will be an euthanasia choice if my mind starts to go. I'd hate that for my children.

Trixiefirecracker · 07/08/2023 14:24

tescocreditcard · 07/08/2023 13:47

I'm in favour of euthanasia. If I'm still alive at 80 I'm going to dignitas.

That’s fine if you can afford the £15,000 it costs or thereabouts. Sadly not many folk I know could pay that.

DoesItHaveKosovo · 07/08/2023 14:25

I hear you. I’m sorry it’s so stressful.

Catlady38 · 07/08/2023 14:27

OP, do you have a treatment escalation plan in place? We had this for my mum. You can specify whether you want treatment or not in different situations — so in my mum’s case, she agreed to pain medication but nothing (eg antibiotics in the case of an infection) that would prolong her life. This was in addition to a DNR order. If you have LPA for health matters, you should be able to put this in place if the patient isn’t well enough themselves.

alleillveoka · 07/08/2023 14:28

I can relate
I was a full time carer from the age of 18 to my gran who I loved dearly
This went on for 17 years
I was 35 when she passed away
She had dementia for the last 15 years
I had the worst few years
Anxiety /depression /self harm -all because the stress of it
I did everything for her single handily
Everyone would be "she's great isn't she "
Etc etc
My life was torture
I barely slept
She cried and screamed most of the time
She would wander
Not sleep
The list goes on
I had no life at all -I have a life now
I'm 38 this year
I've missed out on having kids I think but I'm alive and happy to have a life now

alleillveoka · 07/08/2023 14:29

My gran passed away at 97

Azaeleasinbloom · 07/08/2023 14:30

OP, I was thinking similar thoughts today. We were in your shoes , MIL did die, after years of Dr interventions, endless needs, even more wants. When she died she was doubly incontinent, barely knew who we were , constantly uncomfortable. It was a huge relief to me and to DH , as we had been the ones filling in the care gaps. I felt so very calm at her funeral, and I know some of the family were dismayed at how ‘dry-eyed’ we were, but it was such a relief.

I too, am in favour of the right to die on my own terms. I have an advance directive , with my GP, solicitor and DH.

Its a terribly undignified ending to otherwise great lives.

peachypudding · 07/08/2023 14:31

I completely agree with you OP. The way we treat old people is deranged. Death is not a failure. We need our MPs to have some balls.

peachypudding · 07/08/2023 14:32

And yes I think the Shipman case changed everything.

cptartapp · 07/08/2023 14:34

As a nurse of over thirty years I agree with every word. Multiply your situation by hundreds of thousands. No wonder we're in a mess.

1993GoToo · 07/08/2023 14:35

I am so glad you are getting the understanding you need and deserve.

I 100% understand, and I loved my dad beyond words. But he was ready to go a long time before his body allowed him to. And my lovely mum is still guilt ridden with it all.

Shellingbynight · 07/08/2023 14:35

I agree with you OP. I am sorry you went through all that but I'm glad you have forced the issue with a care home.

My mother is nearly 90 and has late stage dementia. I would not in a million years have agreed to care for her, initially she had at-home care but that became untenable, she needed 24 hour care so she moved to a care home six years ago.

Social Services do not have the budgets to pay for the placements and yet ever higher standards are forced upon care homes, meaning the residents are living longer. But my mother is not living, she's existing. She's immobile and the staff do everything for her - continence care, washing, dressing, feeding her pureed food. Who would want to continue like that? Not me, for sure. As you say, who is benefitting?

MorrisZapp · 07/08/2023 14:37

My mil cheated death so many times it was a joke. 'come now, she won't live the night' followed by rushing back from holidays to find her sitting up demanding fish and chips. On and on she went, the goodbyes became embarrassing and even she felt a bit awkward. To be fair she always paid for private care but there was so much 'end of life' activity when her life was very far from ending it became ridiculous. None of it her fault of course but so, so draining.

countrygirl99 · 07/08/2023 14:39

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 14:13

I think the point is a doctors estimation is just that. An estimation. It seems from my experience and others on here that doctors quite often are completely wrong with this. I guess dying is not an exact science.

Yes relative is doped up to the eyes on antidepressants so not enjoying it either.

I think GP etc is genuinely surprised at how long relative has lived for.

Thanks for posting though.

A nurse once told me that they tell you the time span that 80% of the people with that condition last. But that means 1 in 5 will be longer or shorter but if they told you the span for even 95% it would be so long people wouldn't be able to take it in or get too distressed by the uncertainty.

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 07/08/2023 14:39

I feel for you OP. I went through similar with my dad but at least my stepmum bore the brunt of it. But I still remember juggling taking him to appts and visiting during lengthy hospital stays (six months once) while juggling young dc and working full time.

why on earth are the nurses threatening to call the police? What do they think the police will do? Arrest you for not answering the phone?

gogomoto · 07/08/2023 14:43

I arranged for a "no extraordinary measures" note to be put on a relative's notes who I was coordinating care for, the care home and gp asked specifically if this should include no antibiotics for chest infections etc, and this was noted that we didn't want any treatment that would extend life beyond those to make her comfortable eg painkillers, the gp apologised he couldn't do any more than withholding antibiotics, years ago they would have increased morphine but it's too tightly controlled. 2 more years she lasted, "thankfully" Covid swept through her care home in October 2020... in her case it was a blessing

Satsumaonaplate · 07/08/2023 14:48

Agree wholeheartedly. I'm never going to be a carer. It looks bloody awful and depressing.

Heurgh · 07/08/2023 14:48

My DF went very suddenly at 82 and it was a hell of a shock. But once the grief cleared, I felt nothing but grateful relief that he wasn't suffering FIL's current (2 years and counting) rollercoaster of paramedics-hospital-home-paramedics-hospital-home. There's nothing the hospital can do, and the emotional responsibility for willing him to stay alive rests with MIL and DH's siblings.

I think until you've been in that situation it's hard to imagine what an exhausting combination living grief and guilty frustration can be.

floribunda18 · 07/08/2023 14:49

I agree with you, OP. Though I'm not sure what can be done apart from LPA, discussing the circumstances for DNR when they are well.

I think unfortunately there may be obvious sinister consequences of relatives being able to say yes to euthanasia.

mathanxiety · 07/08/2023 14:49

@studentgrant

I agree, a sinister thought there.
It's the first step on a very slippery slope. We all like to believe that there would be 'safeguards', but the human race is capable of dark behaviour while fully believing such behaviour is right and moral and justified.

The problem isn't that people are living too long. The problem is that the health service and social care service are starved of money

This is one problem where it is glaringly obvious that throwing money at it would result in a huge positive difference. Governments have been aware of demographic trends toward an older and more infirm population for decades but have sat on their hands - worse, they have deliberately underfunded the necessary services and palmed off care of very ill people on individuals who are not trained or able to deliver it.

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