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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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popularinthe80s · 20/12/2023 08:30

Warmest wishes to everyone this morning.
Radio 4 Today programme has just run an interview on Assisted Dying/unnecessary prolongation of life. If you would like to listen on BBC Sounds, it ran from 8.10.
@SierraSapphire really interesting to get the perspective of your DD on NHS culture around end of life care & over concern with short term impact.
@PermanentTemporary you're very wise to consider documenting your wishes. I'm considering this myself. Recalling the out of hours doctor who sat at my mum's feet and urged her to return to hospital for a second time for life saving blood transfusions. My mum, so sadly, regrets that decision now- it would have saved her all her current pain and indignity.
It's about culture. Treat treat treat regardless of consequences.

chaosmaker · 20/12/2023 08:50

Bobsyouraunty · 17/12/2023 10:02

honestly this post sounds very callous and cold hearted. How horrific to have family by you, that wish you dead. Nasty nasty post.

Try reading the thread, you just MIGHT learn something, doubtful though.

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 20/12/2023 18:19

I was also going to post about the Today programme. Interesting how Michael Grove has changed his mind (his ex-wife Sarah Vine also wrote about the same subject yesterday). I wonder if they have discovered there is sweet FA help for elderly parents when you need it…

I also wondered if the programe would mention the broken state of elderly care and the continuing to treat when to leave alone might be kinder… and they did.

SoySaucePls · 20/12/2023 20:54

When you think of the immense cost of keeping so many of these people alive who don’t really want to be here anymore, it all seems even more crazy.

Millions, possibly billions, going on keeping people alive who have no quality of life, all in the name of “humane treatment”.

It’s staggering how wrong things are currently. The tide needs to turn swiftly and help people die with dignity and in no pain. And to feel less taboo and less guilt about choosing that option. There should be no shame in choosing this option. The idea that it’s criminal is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Why eke out two weeks, two months, two years even if that person has had enough.

The focus on life at all costs is hurting us all in so many ways far far more.

Almahart · 20/12/2023 20:55

I completely agree @SoySaucePls, and so little for people who need treatment for their mental health, including children and teenagers. The state of CAMHS is a complete and utter disgrace.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 20/12/2023 21:25

This thread has proved cathartic for many, we are nearly full so shall we start a new one ?

Kendodd · 20/12/2023 21:47

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 20/12/2023 21:25

This thread has proved cathartic for many, we are nearly full so shall we start a new one ?

Yes please!

Ilikeyoursleeves · 20/12/2023 22:18

@StiffyByngsDogBartholomew I think it's really important to keep this discussion going. I found it really cathartic, validating and normalising when i was going through it all with my dad earlier this year. I got great advice on here and on another thread I'd started about end stage Parkinson's. I'd never have come across that advice if it wasn't for these open and honest discussions. I'd hope that keeping this thread going will help so many more women on here get the support and empathy that they hugely need and can voice the things we feel we daren't voice in real life.

Thinking of all those currently going through all this extremely challenging scenario. ❤️

Choux · 20/12/2023 23:55

Iidentifyasweirdbarbie · 20/12/2023 18:19

I was also going to post about the Today programme. Interesting how Michael Grove has changed his mind (his ex-wife Sarah Vine also wrote about the same subject yesterday). I wonder if they have discovered there is sweet FA help for elderly parents when you need it…

I also wondered if the programe would mention the broken state of elderly care and the continuing to treat when to leave alone might be kinder… and they did.

The cynic in me wonders if the fiercely ambitious Gove is thinking that giving people a little more autonomy over the end of their lives would help shrink the population requiring care. Only a small number would choose or be able to choose to die instead of going into a care home or engage carers but it might move the dial a bit on drs behaviour to just keep preserving life when the patients have very little quality of life.

If you can shrink the population requiring care a bit then you won't have as many care vacancies so you won't need as much immigration to fill the vacancies. Which would make Gove popular with some Tory members.

Plus if the number of very immobile, incontinent elderly people reduces because drs are more likely to let people go from pneumonia etc then the number of care visits involving lifting clients and changing their pads reduces and the job might become a little more attractive to UK jobseekers or they might stay in the industry longer. Again reducing the need to import staff.

I'm not sure if Gove is compassionate enough to be supportive of it for altruistic reasons.

chaosmaker · 21/12/2023 00:01

I don't know. A lot of that demographic is Gove's voting base, surely?

I did say some of those things to people in real life that most feel unable to. I hated the 'how's your mother' question when they should have been compassionate about the carer. Me in that scenario but you in that same question asked. I'd like to ask how you are. I already know the answer in a lot of cases. Although to the 'sorry for your loss' (we weren't close and she was a possible narc) I just say she would have hated how she ended up and that I cared for her so it's much better now she's gone.

I wish all of you and those reliant on you a swift resolution and an end to the suffering of all involved.

Tara336 · 21/12/2023 09:14

I was discussing my DF deterioration with DM and Christmas is a bit of a marker because last Christmas he was very ill but he could talk and generally made sense and could walk all be it with a zimmer frame.

This Christmas hes in care and can't speak he just nods, he definitely understands what we are saying (most of the time) but I've noticed that the crying has stopped, he would literally cry when we arrived to visit, cry if we spoke and cry when we left. I'm guessing this is just another sign of the progression. It makes me wonder if this will be his last Christmas.

I've become a little obsessed trying to work out where we are with the dementia trying to prepare myself and the rest of the family for what's coming next. We were told in February that the dementia is at the beginning of severe and i can see so many changes in him.

Mentally I think I'm better as I've stepped back a bit mainly for self preservation as I've carried more than my fair share this year. I'm hoping I'm right and I'm prepared for what's coming next as I seem to be seen as the "strong one" in the family.

Whatever you are all doing have a wonderful Christmas and thank you all for being on this thread and the support we have given each other this year

SoySaucePls · 21/12/2023 12:40

The trauma and exhaustion of watching some slip away mentally or physically or both, especially when they are your longest relationships, it takes it’s toll, doesn’t it?

We don’t discuss it ever before iy suddenly appears on the radar - for all of us. Makes me wonder if we shouldn’t talk about it as a society far more and be more pragmatic.

I hear in scandanavia things are better set up there? I’m not sure why I think that but remember reading it somewhere.

applebee33 · 02/01/2024 09:37

I feel you op, I really do. Mil was very sick even when I met dh , cantankerous and very high needs . When she eventually got too sick , it was back and forth to hospital , dh and siblings had to be there on order of fil . Long drives to the hospital every day when we didn't have the money to fuel our car ! I thought she would last forever in this state. It was an ease to the lady and us all when she did pass. Myself and dh were at breaking point in our marriage we hadn't seen each other, kid's things had been missed as in shows / awards ceremonies by dh . Nights spent by myself whilst he slept with his mother on his night on . It was endless. I really feel for you

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/01/2024 09:40

@applebee33 Everyone’s moved to the new thread - see the post above yours

JenniferBooth · 02/01/2024 18:32

"on order of fil" FFS

MereDintofPandiculation · 03/01/2024 12:09

JenniferBooth · 02/01/2024 18:32

"on order of fil" FFS

Everyone’s moved to the new thread!

Igotyaback · 09/02/2024 20:58

Some of these posts really hit home with me big time . Until you have walked in our shoes and given so much time to our parents please don't say a word. Life is a struggle without all the stress caring for a parent.

MereDintofPandiculation · 09/02/2024 21:48

Igotyaback · 09/02/2024 20:58

Some of these posts really hit home with me big time . Until you have walked in our shoes and given so much time to our parents please don't say a word. Life is a struggle without all the stress caring for a parent.

Come and join us all on the new thread - see a few posts above for the link

Froniga · 26/03/2024 12:44

Wow, what a nice compassionate post - I don’t think!
One has to do what one has to do. OR get adequate support. It’s there but you have to ask, shout, for it!
My mother asked me to promise not to put her in a Home. I honoured that promise and cared for her in her own home until her death. But I did have help. It was tough and at times harrowing but it’s what you do for God’s sake. I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for my mother (and father of course).
Don’t believe in euthanasia- good end of life care and dignity in dying.
Have a good day.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 26/03/2024 12:59

We are onto thread 3 now @Froniga why not come and polish your halo on there instead ?

countrygirl99 · 26/03/2024 13:02

Help is out there .... you have to ask for it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Tara336 · 27/03/2024 14:30

@Froniga did you actually bother to read all the posts? If you didn't, I will fill you in, this thread is full of people struggling and doing the best they bloody can in some horrendous circumstances. Your judgement is neither needed or wanted, read the room

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 10:22

Froniga · 26/03/2024 12:44

Wow, what a nice compassionate post - I don’t think!
One has to do what one has to do. OR get adequate support. It’s there but you have to ask, shout, for it!
My mother asked me to promise not to put her in a Home. I honoured that promise and cared for her in her own home until her death. But I did have help. It was tough and at times harrowing but it’s what you do for God’s sake. I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for my mother (and father of course).
Don’t believe in euthanasia- good end of life care and dignity in dying.
Have a good day.

Fuck that, I want euthanasia for myself.

PermanentTemporary · 29/03/2024 10:25

My mother told me to put her in a home If I needed to and not look back. I think it is outrageous of anyone to make a child of theirs promise such a thing. Suppose my mum asked me to do her cancer surgery myself and not get a surgeon to do it? To me it's that level of ridiculous.

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