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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Almahart · 07/08/2023 14:50

I totally get it OP. My mum had dementia. Very luckily she died of heart failure only six months or so after it was very bad. She was doubly incontinent, had no idea where she was, was crying for her parents. She was also in pain with a pressure sore that had developed in hospital. About three weeks before she died the care home rang me and asked if I wanted her to have her flu vaccination.

I mean..... obviously I said no. She was in such awful distress. Who would want to live like that.

Blueberrycreampie · 07/08/2023 14:51

@Poochypaws I can't help but agree with everything you've said. It's been ten years with MIL and before that FIL. She's doubly incontinent incapacitated and needs 24 hour care in her own home which is very expensive. But at least her mind is still very active....

Proudmum17 · 07/08/2023 14:53

Completely understand OP. My FiL was diagnosed with dementia in 2012 and MiL did everything to keep him going which meant roping us in. She died a couple of days after he finally forgot who she was and he is still going, incontinent, abusive, stumbling around, searching for his parents, hitting carers who are just trying to dress him. It's horrific.

Proudmum17 · 07/08/2023 14:55

He got covid recently and we crossed our fingers but nope he recovered and that just feels awful to admit.

Badbudgeter · 07/08/2023 14:55

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 14:18

so I wonder why they treat UTI's now then? My relative has certainly been treated countless times for UTI's, eye infections, tooth infections.

I mean we have had antibiotics for years and years so why did we used to not treat them and let the old person slip away, but we do now. Are doctors scared to getting into trouble more now? Is it because of the Shipman doctor thing?

Well to be fair the old man’s friend description predates antibiotics. The idea being it was better to slip off after an acute illness than suffer through the gradual stages of decay that we and others around us find upsetting.

I suppose we treat it because we can. Life expectancy has increased substantially. I think it raises ethical questions. I’d much prefer to decline antibiotics/ statins/ the multitude of pills that keep people propped up from about 70 and just have painkillers / palliative care as necessary.

I have dementia in the family though and I dread my children feeling compelled to behave like the op.

floribunda18 · 07/08/2023 14:55

OP, do you have a local Hospice charity who might be helpful? Ours was amazing at navigating the steps DF needed to get the drugs and end of life/palliative care that he needed and he had what I would describe as "a good death" in the circumstances.

I do have a direct debit set up for them now, they need £7m a year to keep going and get no NHS funding.

kittyland · 07/08/2023 14:57

I've lived your life for the past 12 (12!) years, so I know how you feel. Near identical circumstances and no help from other relatives. The hardest part for me is the lack of gratitude from the sick relative. Wouldn't even acknowledge how hard it is. Sometimes I'm rewarded with a nasty remark such as "Don't do it then if it's a bother". Knowing fully well I have to do it, as there is no availability of care homes atm. But what makes my blood boil the most is when other people ask me, how the relative is. I know they're concerned and being polite, but God it does my head in. Nobody in all those years asked me how I was. And I mean nobody. Even though I'm at my witts end, on my knees, with all sorts of medical issues, on strong antidepressants. I haven't had a day off in ages, gave my best years I won't get back, am run down and haggard. The saddest thing is I feel I won't be able to recover even after their death.
Most people just don't get it. Only those who did this level of care for years and years. Otherwise forget it. And there's always an asshole to comment "we all have elderly parents to take care of". As if.
No free time, no holidays, no freedom - always have to be on call, always some kind of an emergency, no support, hell on earth. So I hear you, and I hope you get to nurture and treat yourself when the time comes. Hats off to you..

SoundTheSirens · 07/08/2023 14:58

I'm so sorry OP. I haven't been in your position but as an only child to ageing parents I dread this coming. I'm already an informal carer to my disabled DH, the thought of my future holding nothing than unpaid care work (alongside working FT) for three people against a backdrop of financially-starved health and social care services makes me want to cry.

In the nicest possible way, I hope your relative has a peaceful end soon to a life that sounds utterly lacking in QoL now, and you get some relief from it all.

Jamtartforme · 07/08/2023 15:01

studentgrant · 07/08/2023 13:37

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I fing that a very sinister remark

I don’t. Would you be happy to provide this level of care to one or even two relatives?

rowbotham · 07/08/2023 15:01

I loved my dad so much, but was relieved when he died.
He had a brain tumour on top of Parkinson's , was discharged with recommendation for full care package. Not a single carer available either via funded package or privately .
Six weeks of looking after him , watching him deteriorate, taking turns with my oh to sleep as he would get out of bed and wander, followed by a week of him being sedated at home and basically left to die, occasionally waking , usually in the middle of the night in great distress.
Utterly soul destroying and heart breaking .
Euthanasia would have been so much kinder.
I'm a vet and if I let a dog get in that state , the rspca would rightly prosecute me .
I feel your pain op and I'm so sorry for you but completely see where you are coming from.

Qbishy · 07/08/2023 15:02

I hear you OP. And others on this thread.

The only thing you can do is withdraw your care. That is the only way you will get the NHS to care for him. They will try and drag you back in, and guilt you, but you have to be firm.

TheRubberbandits · 07/08/2023 15:02

Yep. I saw it with my Grandmother.

Prolonged death, with zero quality of life.

I absolutely plan on taking matters into my own hands the moment I no longer have full control of myself. I'm very resigned to knowing this is how I will most likely go.

Choux · 07/08/2023 15:06

So sorry you are going through this @Poochypaws. My own care story was a breeze in comparison but I am only now realizing how much it took out of me.

Dad has just a few months of hire care needs and quality carers. But I recall thinking that if he was a dog the vet would have told me it was cruel to keep him going and he should be put to sleep.

His health issues - which would probably have caused him to die in 2-3 months - were compounded by a UTI and fortunately while drs debated what was the best antibiotic for him given his other health issues and trying to identify the strain of bacteria causing the UTI he died in his sleep. The UTI is listed as a contributing factor on his death certificate.

I am

  1. grateful he dodged the last few months of suffering and
  2. sure I will be stockpiling sleeping tablets in my final years so I am not forced to endure a similar fate if euthanasia laws have not changed.

If your relative has capacity are they aware they can refuse treatment for infections?

beguilingeyes · 07/08/2023 15:06

I think we're at the beginning of this journey. MIL is 81, lost her husband last year and lives on her own. She in early stages of dementia and I can see caring for her stretching ahead for years.

narniabusiness · 07/08/2023 15:07

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 14:18

so I wonder why they treat UTI's now then? My relative has certainly been treated countless times for UTI's, eye infections, tooth infections.

I mean we have had antibiotics for years and years so why did we used to not treat them and let the old person slip away, but we do now. Are doctors scared to getting into trouble more now? Is it because of the Shipman doctor thing?

It’s just the last paragraph that I want to comment. I have no specific knowledge as I don’t work in medicine, but I think there was an humane over use of painkillers in the past. That is giving pain killers over a period of time that would cause death sooner than would otherwise have occurred. I presume this is now regarded as unethical.

Pudmyboy · 07/08/2023 15:08

peachypudding · 07/08/2023 14:31

I completely agree with you OP. The way we treat old people is deranged. Death is not a failure. We need our MPs to have some balls.

death is not a failure - this is a very good point, there really does seem to be a fear of letting someone die, and also I think because all the exhausting care is done away from the public gaze then the lack of quality of life for all concerned is easy to ignore

EpicDay · 07/08/2023 15:09

One of the only things that helped me in this situation was a wonderful friend of my mum’s, who loved her dearly but saw totally how utterly awful, endless and draining the whole situation was, telling me “you know, she WILL die, the path will end, it won’t go on forever”. I think I had begun to believe that she wouldn’t, ever, die. She did, and the euphoria I experienced is my clearest memory of her, even 9 years on. It is utterly fucking awful. I feel for you OP.

LakeTiticaca · 07/08/2023 15:09

Badbudgeter · 07/08/2023 13:45

Its not an uncommon viewpoint. There is a reason pneumonia used to be referred as an old man’s friend. Nowadays uti and chest infections are treated with antibiotics without considering whether the individual concerned would be better off if just left to slip away.

Like a pp I hope that euthanasia is legalised in my lifetime.

I agree. 3 of my aged and infirm relatives succumbed to pneumonia while bed bound .They slipped off the mortal coil within days. This was in the late 70s/early 80s.
I dread to think how much more misery they would have endured if this had been nowadays, pumped full of antibiotics whether they want it or not!!

Squirrelsnut · 07/08/2023 15:13

I hear you. My DM couldn't be in worse condition physically and yet she lives on and on in pain and misery. It's killing everyone else to see it. I won't lie - I've researched if helping her to a peaceful end is possible.

fortheloveofflowers · 07/08/2023 15:14

I 100% get you not because I have been where you are but because I see it in my job every day. Everyone’s quality of life reduced just to keep someone hanging in there in pain and constant interventions.

They we’re doing this to my Nan, my care involvement was minimal as big family, we had a conversation about what she wanted and I just said we can keep giving you all these drugs that are keeping you alive (antibiotics, fluids, furosemide) or we can stop and make you comfy. She chose making her comfy, we got her in a beautiful care home and her last week was spent in comfort and with family and no stress. Advanced planning and very honest conversations should be more normal.

I will be saving my meds and taking the lot with a lovely bottle of wine, no way am I carrying on like I see loads of people do, hugely impacting on everyone’s life. We do not treat animals as cruelly as we do people, death is normal. Keeping people living like the half dead is not.

Catcuriosity26 · 07/08/2023 15:14

I believe you should discuss with the local council about formal homecare support/rolling respite / carers assessment. Please do not suffer in silence, you deserve help. Check what is available for you and your parents.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 07/08/2023 15:16

Oneweektogo2023 · 07/08/2023 13:36

I pray Euthanasia becomes legal in the next few years I would like to exit in my own terms.

Most people do, but the people in power and most religious people think it is better to bankrupt the country and make relatives suffer rather than have a humane way out for people.

And we will soon get the peopel on MN saying look what is happening in the NL. We don't want that to happen here, so we can't have assisted dying.

Choux · 07/08/2023 15:16

we had a conversation about what she wanted and I just said we can keep giving you all these drugs that are keeping you alive (antibiotics, fluids, furosemide) or we can stop and make you comfy. She chose making her comfy, we got her in a beautiful care home and her last week was spent in comfort and with family and no stress.

What a beautiful ending. I would have like that for my dad.

mrsjackrussell · 07/08/2023 15:16

I was an elderly care nurse and saw a multitude of poor souls that were being kept alive with course after course of antibiotics, pressure ulcers, can't turn themselves in bed, doubly incontinent, and terrified because of dementia among other things.

It's just medical intervention keeping some older people alive with no quality of life. It used to break me seeing it.

Totally agree with euthanasia after seeing that. Obviously with stringent protocols put into place.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 07/08/2023 15:17

studentgrant · 07/08/2023 13:37

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I fing that a very sinister remark

It is people like you who are the problem. You are welcome to suffer when you are old. I don't want to. That is my right.

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