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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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Badbudgeter · 30/03/2024 07:26

SoySaucePls · 20/12/2023 20:54

When you think of the immense cost of keeping so many of these people alive who don’t really want to be here anymore, it all seems even more crazy.

Millions, possibly billions, going on keeping people alive who have no quality of life, all in the name of “humane treatment”.

It’s staggering how wrong things are currently. The tide needs to turn swiftly and help people die with dignity and in no pain. And to feel less taboo and less guilt about choosing that option. There should be no shame in choosing this option. The idea that it’s criminal is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Why eke out two weeks, two months, two years even if that person has had enough.

The focus on life at all costs is hurting us all in so many ways far far more.

I’d completely agree with this. I think possibly we need to be more pragmatic about death. Personally I hope the law changes and PAS / euthanasia have become allowed. Most of us wouldn’t allow a pet to suffer the pain/ indignities that people have to.

Joystir59 · 07/04/2024 05:39

Well done for taking a stand and letting the professionals take care of your family member. It takes a team of people to care for someone 24/7 not one drained exhausted individual.

Sunnnybunny72 · 07/04/2024 07:42

Froniga · 26/03/2024 12:44

Wow, what a nice compassionate post - I don’t think!
One has to do what one has to do. OR get adequate support. It’s there but you have to ask, shout, for it!
My mother asked me to promise not to put her in a Home. I honoured that promise and cared for her in her own home until her death. But I did have help. It was tough and at times harrowing but it’s what you do for God’s sake. I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for my mother (and father of course).
Don’t believe in euthanasia- good end of life care and dignity in dying.
Have a good day.

Hardly 'compassionate' of your DM to be happy for you to live in parts a tough and harrowing life indefinitely in the prime of your life to meet her needs which could be served elsewhere at the end of hers.
Dreadful parenting.

PermanentTemporary · 07/04/2024 07:51

With the approach to death, what I personally would like is for the rules we currently have to be actually supported and carried out, rather than being entirely at the mercy of whatever doctor you encounter at a moment of crisis, and without all decisions made being reversed as soon as the person has a few good days or recovers from one infection. It is possible to demand a more pragmatic approach and even to get it, but you have to fight SO hard for it, and if you can get it, you are treated frankly as a murderer by a 'caring' team that never knew your relative. And yet I am absolutely certain that what we are doing is what Mum would want, and it is also legal.

Onand · 07/04/2024 08:02

I hear you OP. It does make you wonder whether pneumonia, UTIs and sepsis are the body’s way of accelerating the end, only instead we treat them and inevitably prolong the horrendous ending.

Jujubes5 · 07/04/2024 08:13

Lat few weeks of DF's life were awful. he had Parkinsons and once the swallowing ability has gone it's waiting until they starve to death.
Really for that part he could have been at a family member's home. There was little care to do, no eating so no soiling.
I think the fact he was in the clinical looking Care Home room made it worse for the family. A carer could have called in every day or so for a wash and freshen up if family didn't want to do that but the family could have controlled the environment - eg TV for visitors to watch, music, flowers, comfortable chairs. Able to make tea, food etc.
He was on a morphine drip so he just lay quietly. But had been a strong man so it was weeks (though I don't remember exactly as it is a blur).

Kendodd · 07/04/2024 09:46

Sunnnybunny72 · 07/04/2024 07:42

Hardly 'compassionate' of your DM to be happy for you to live in parts a tough and harrowing life indefinitely in the prime of your life to meet her needs which could be served elsewhere at the end of hers.
Dreadful parenting.

I agree.
I would NEVER put my children in such a position. I've seen what this can do to people, the stress, the anti depressants, the neglect of one's own health, the sleep deprivation and on it goes for years. I think theirs a study upthread (or on thread one) that caring for an elderly family member shortens your own life by six years. Shame on anyone who would make their kids promise to do that.

Kendodd · 07/04/2024 09:55

I think we should start some sort of campaign for better, more honest, end of life care. And I don't mean very end of life, last few days, I mean last few years. We should be questioning the ethics of vaccinating very elderly people in terrible health against illnesses that could relieve their suffering quickly. Likewise treating such illnesses with every antibiotic going, and for what? A few more months/years of suffering for everyone. It's positively cruel.

Kendodd · 07/04/2024 10:00

Thinking about myself (in my 50s in fine health) I do not want this extended end for myself. Anyone know what sort of document I could write saying I don't want this? I already have a will, but that's it. Also, what sort of stuff can I put in such a document? If I was elderly in a care home, and refused to be vaccinated (I'm not an antivaxer btw, I've had all my vaccines as have my kids) would I be booted out as a danger to the health (!!!) of the other residents?

Choux · 07/04/2024 10:51

Kendodd · 07/04/2024 10:00

Thinking about myself (in my 50s in fine health) I do not want this extended end for myself. Anyone know what sort of document I could write saying I don't want this? I already have a will, but that's it. Also, what sort of stuff can I put in such a document? If I was elderly in a care home, and refused to be vaccinated (I'm not an antivaxer btw, I've had all my vaccines as have my kids) would I be booted out as a danger to the health (!!!) of the other residents?

Well I can help a bit on the vaccine question. My mum is in a care home with dementia so I make all the decisions as I have medical POA.

Last week I was called by them as they were going to be giving Covid vaccinations and I was asked if I consented. (I think this is because the routine Covid testing of hospital patients being discharged to care homes is ending- it was in the press)

I said I assumed being vaccinated was a condition of being there and they were just asking me as a courtesy but they said receiving Covid vaccinations was not compulsory for their residents.

I imagine that means flu vaccines are also not compulsory too. I am discussing with my sibling at what point we will ask them to stop mum having any non required vaccines so that something else gets her before the dementia is truly advanced (it's pretty severe now).

Kendodd · 07/04/2024 11:20

MereDintofPandiculation · 07/04/2024 10:56

Only 12 posts left on this thread. New thread here

I can't find the new thread through the link, it just flips back to this thread, I'm on the app though. What's the new thread title?

MereDintofPandiculation · 07/04/2024 12:17

Kendodd · 07/04/2024 11:20

I can't find the new thread through the link, it just flips back to this thread, I'm on the app though. What's the new thread title?

Sorry - same, but with a 3 in the title instead of a 2.

TrishyLou1111 · 07/04/2024 12:48

How are you doing OP?

EmotionalBlackmail · 07/04/2024 14:26

No you have to consent to receive any vaccination, they can't just give them out. Or you consent on their behalf if you have POA (or for a child).

It's one of those things to have a proper conversation about when sorting out POA, along with wishes re DNR and actively treating with antibiotics

MariaLuna · 07/04/2024 23:55

This is such a good thread and my heart goes out to all of you. I did it myself, taking care of elderly parents (job, single mum).
My mum had dementia for 7 years and my dad died of cancer. To be honest it was a relief as well as mourning them of course.

I hear Euthanasia being mentioned a lot. Thing is the request for euthanasia has to come from the patient themself, no-one can decide it for another. (That would be akin to murder).

Here is the criteria for euthanasia in NL. (Wikipedia).

The law allows medical review board to suspend prosecution of doctors who performed euthanasia when each of the following conditions are fulfilled:

  • the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement
  • the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)
  • the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects, and options
  • there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above
  • the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, and the doctor must be present
  • the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)

In April 2023, euthanasia was expanded to include children of all ages who are in unbearable suffering

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/04/2024 09:33

Please move to new thread, link above

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/04/2024 09:33

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MereDintofPandiculation · 08/04/2024 09:34

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