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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die...

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Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:35

Nobody tells you how utterly draining, exhausting, depressing it is waiting for someone to die when the death has been 'expected' for years. Got told 4 years ago person might die as soon as 6 months but might be lucky and have a couple of years. Ok. Spent the next year spending every possible minute with them. Watched all their favourite movies with them. Listened to their favourite songs with them. Talked about loved ones and memories. Took them for lots of nice walks/outings. Basically put my own life on hold and compromised my own health to give them a nice 'ending'.

Except they didn't fucking die did they. So much for doctors predictions.

At first I was glad to have extra time. It felt like a gift. It felt like we had stuck two fingers up to death. As time has gone on though and the person needs everything done for them (EVERYTHING!) but still they linger on.

They go into hospital (about once every couple of months)- carers have to be cancelled, shopping has to be cancelled, perscription deliveries have to be cancelled, constant phone calls from hospital nurses ' can you bring this in, can you collect dirty washing, when are you visiting'

Then they are ready to come out of hospital. Carers have to be found and reinstated and everything else has to be put back in place.

Meanwhile having agreed to go into a carehome (social say person does now need 24 hour a day care) person has now told social they don't want to leave their own home.

Everyone around them (ok not everyone, just those involved) are on their knees with ill health, mental stress from the constant waiting, exhaustion from never knowing what is coming next and still the person keeps hanging on.

On about 30 tablets a day, requires washed, fed, dressed, help to leave house, taken to all appointments, all housework done, all admin done, entertained and you never know from one day to the next when the next fall or hospital visit, dentist emergency, optician emergency, will be. They are not like 'normal' people going to the dentist twice a year. They seem to need to go every month so their appointments are about 10 times those of a normal person. Constant infections, bleeding, bruising, swollen ankles, can't breathe, can't eat, can't sleep and still they go on.

Why god, why! I fear I might die first from the stress.

For those of you who have been asked by your gp or social or a nurse to 'help out with your parent' because they probably don't have long left anyway (ha, bloody ha) Think long and hard. Really long and hard. If fact don't think just turn the other way and run.

The NHS seems hell bent on keeping old sick people with no quality of life alive as long as possible even though the trail of destruction behind them far outweights the benefit of keeping them alive.

I used to see people at funerals and assume they were all sad. Of course people at funerals for young people will be sad. Now I realise for those who have elderly parents who have lingered and lingered and lingered they are not sad at the funerals they are RELIEVED. GLAD. Probably cracking open the bloody champagne in the evening.

For those of you who have never been in this position for years you have NO idea what you are talking about so don't bother commenting. (I had no idea before I did it and would have thought differently)

So tell me who is benefiting from this shitshow.
Old person - nope miserable, ill and poor quality of life
Anyone helping - nope, miserable, ill, poor quality of life
NHS/Social - resources being used HUGE, benefits ??

Finally in last few weeks I have taken a stand and withdrawn support. Literally had to shout at social and hospital nurses who seems to ignore the fact the 'carer' is having a nervous breakdown telling them to 'carry on what they are doing'. NO. NO. NO.

This will force a care home entry which is what is needed. NEVER AGAIN.

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oakleaffy · 07/08/2023 16:04

truthhurts23 · 07/08/2023 15:46

these are human beings you are talking about, elderly people deserve to be looked after until they pass away naturally, you sound very callous
I dont care how stressed you are , YOU chose to take on the burden of this
I do hate it when people make their own life difficult and then compain about it

I have personal experience with an eldery family member and whilst it is very consuming and difficult , we have never complained about it , not once
because we love him and every year he is still alive is a blessing
I cant believe you are angry because you want someone to die , you need to sort yourself out , you will be their age one day

“ WE”
You sound like you have a team of people looking after your aged relative.

A single person doing caring is very very different.
A friend looked after his Mum on his own for a year and it was incredibly hard.

Easy to be smugly self righteous- but OP probably wants euthanasia for herself when time comes-
Judge not til you walk a mile in her shoes.

cantkeepawayforever · 07/08/2023 16:05

80 seems quite young? My dad was still working full time at 80…

Clefable · 07/08/2023 16:06

Advances in medical care mean that people are often unwilling to accept death even when death is an appropriate outcome for a person of that age and health conditions, so we throw antibiotics and invasive treatments at elderly people with very little quality of life, while they waste away in a care home and all the money they saved for their family is whittled away. And families are some of the problem too, as people often won't accept that 'nothing' can be done and that sometimes the kindest and best thing is to do nothing. It's often 'what else can we try?', when if someone is in their late 80s and ailing, death is not really an unlikely or even undesirable ending.

cantkeepawayforever · 07/08/2023 16:07

Apologies, missed the quotation - someone saying they would go to dignitas at 80.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 07/08/2023 16:14

Make an Advance Decision to Refuse Treatment. I have. Yes, the NHS is totally focussed on keeping people alive, and it's hideous. From the moment I'm permanently not capable of making my own decisions about my health I have a legally binding ADRT in place that means I will come off all life-preserving medications. I just hope that if I do retain my marbles I have the strength to do the same thing if I become horribly frail.

I have to warn you that your relative is likely to live longer in care than they would have at home, but at least some of the burden will be lightened.

Isthiscorrect · 07/08/2023 16:15

truthhurts23 · 07/08/2023 15:46

these are human beings you are talking about, elderly people deserve to be looked after until they pass away naturally, you sound very callous
I dont care how stressed you are , YOU chose to take on the burden of this
I do hate it when people make their own life difficult and then compain about it

I have personal experience with an eldery family member and whilst it is very consuming and difficult , we have never complained about it , not once
because we love him and every year he is still alive is a blessing
I cant believe you are angry because you want someone to die , you need to sort yourself out , you will be their age one day

Fuck you. And your hero attitude.

So you and your family can do it between. Great. That works for you but quite obviously it doesn't work for everyone given all these posters at their physical and mental wits end.

To those who struggle I feel for you and hear you. I wish there was something we could do.

DramaAlpaca · 07/08/2023 16:17

I hear you, OP Flowers

I've been there with my inlaws and it won't be too long before it's my own parents. I'm dreading it.

Jellycats4life · 07/08/2023 16:17

My DF went very suddenly at 82 and it was a hell of a shock. But once the grief cleared, I felt nothing but grateful relief that he wasn't suffering FIL's current (2 years and counting) rollercoaster of paramedics-hospital-home-paramedics-hospital-home.

I really believe that, even though a sudden and unexpected death of an elderly person is awful for the family, it’s absolutely the best kind of death compared with what so many old people experience. I’m glad you were able to take some kind of comfort from that @Heurgh

MumblesParty · 07/08/2023 16:18

Ejismyf · 07/08/2023 15:51

We were told 2 weeks ago my 65 year old mum has terminal cancer that is very aggressive and she will have 2 to 3 months "if lucky". The outlook of how it will end with her basically starving to death and wasting away is terrifying and she herself has said that it is unfair we can euthanise animals but humans are left to suffer, leaving family traumatised and spending money on NHS care etc that wouldnt be needed if required.

Your Mum will hopefully have been referred to the palliative care team and she should not die in any pain. Deaths from terminal illness can be made very peaceful.

oakleaffy · 07/08/2023 16:20

@Poochypaws
Your elderly relative sounds a horrid old cuss.
Is there dementia there?

Swearing at you, calling you names- They can’t be of sound mind.

My lovely neighbour (91) was adamant she wouldn’t be cared for by anyone.
She had a fall, didn’t ring her buzzer alarm, didn’t call me ( I’d have heard her calling as windows open)
She was found by her cleaner , was taken to hosp but died in three days.

Her daughter said “ Mum decided to go”

A brave woman.

Rest in peace, Doreen xxx

OdeToBarney · 07/08/2023 16:21

I hear you OP. Having seen my own DMum give everything to her stepfather, mother and father in law over the last 15 years - and now it's starting with one of her siblings, it's just awful. Her own health is suffering as a result and I've told her in no uncertain terms that she needs to live her own life, lest she spend her own final years caring for everyone else.

ChatBFP · 07/08/2023 16:21

@cantkeepawayforever

That's the tricky thing - one of my grannies was incapable at 80 and starved to death from dementia and one was capable of quality of life to 90 but then suddenly had a stroke. It's about quality really. 80 can be young or very old!

barofsoap · 07/08/2023 16:23

absolutely agree with everything you have said 100%

RuthTopp · 07/08/2023 16:29

It gardens my heart to see how many people agree with you that it's relentless .
Most are also saying they don't want that for themselves when it comes to ageing themselves .
Look at Dignityindying ( sorry can't do links ) they regularly badger to get legislation changed for the uk.
Personally I want to be able to decide when my time is up.

JenniferBooth · 07/08/2023 16:29

Re. the nurses who threatened to call the police. They need to be told that answering the phone is not a crime but coercive control is And its not just partners who can be prosecuted for it. Same for SS.

People who do this will have NO qualms about lying to relatives that the elderly person has not got long so that the relatives will be more likely to take on the care thinking they wont have to do it for long.

The coercive control law is there. Use it!!!

tescocreditcard · 07/08/2023 16:30

Trixiefirecracker · 07/08/2023 14:24

That’s fine if you can afford the £15,000 it costs or thereabouts. Sadly not many folk I know could pay that.

Put it on your credit card. They'd hardly be able to chase you for it 😄

Terloz · 07/08/2023 16:33

@truthhurts23 think about doing all the care on your own at the worst possible time in your life. Small kids, full time job, your own health problems, say a 2 hour round trip to get to said relative. No help from other relatives but lots of ‘feedback’ on how you’re doing. On edge 24 7 waiting for emergency calls demanding urgent solutions when you have no clue what actions to take. Meanwhile the best years of your own life slip away. Your partner pisses off, your kids remember you as never present and your employer bottom rates you. Bloody brilliant. Living the dream.

Mischance · 07/08/2023 16:34

I hear you - I cared for my OH but in the end threw in the towel and organised a nursing home - and I had to battle for the funding on appeal, which did not come through till after he died. [Luckily I had professional knowledge of the subject and knew his entitlements in spite of him being turned down twice.]

When he got pneumonia they were about to bluelight him to hospital when I said: "Just hold on a moment. I have PofA for his health and welfare and I know this is the wrong thing to do." I then rang my adult DDs and we discussed how to proceed. He stayed in his room in the nursing home with us all around him and slipped quietly out of his misery a few days later. If I had not intervened goodness knows how much longer his misery would have gone on. And it really was misery - he thought he was being cut up and put down the sewer - he lived every moment in blind terror. It was only because we were prepared to shoulder the burden of this difficult decision, which the medics were powerless to do, that he had some dignity at the end.

I do not blame you for the stand you have taken - it is so hard I know, but everyone's needs are important in this situation. Well done for shouldering this for so long. I remember the endless battles with agencies who were supposed to be providing care - that was as wearing as the care itself.

Sending a hand hold.

oakleaffy · 07/08/2023 16:35

Poochypaws · 07/08/2023 13:47

I'm sorry for your difficult situation. I have to say though I think you are doing the right thing. Thank you for your support

A doubly - incontinent person with delirium?

My goodness- WHY not allow humane euthanasia?
The person obviously has zero quality of life and won’t get better.

It would be criminal to cause an animal to suffer this - yet we allow it for people?
Just baffling.

Living wills need putting in place while we are still compos mentis.

Beloved pets can be euthanised at home by a vet when / if they get terminally Ill- but we can’t have that service for ourselves?

Hopefully the laws will change.

Clefable · 07/08/2023 16:38

MumblesParty · 07/08/2023 16:18

Your Mum will hopefully have been referred to the palliative care team and she should not die in any pain. Deaths from terminal illness can be made very peaceful.

Yes, my mum died of metastatic breast cancer about 5 weeks ago. She walked into hospital in the morning and was dead less than 24 hours later. It was quick, peaceful and the best death we could have hoped for (just far too soon as she was only 69). She had been living normally at home prior to this, no need for any care help.

Not every death is protracted and drawn out and there is still an element of choice. The doctors asked my mum in the morning if she wanted just palliative care or if she wanted intervention, and she was very clear with them that she wanted palliative care only. By the time I got there, she was out of pain and the doctors allowed us to make a decision to reduce the breathing help she was getting. She died within five minutes of doing that.

I hope your mum's last weeks or months are as peaceful and pain-free as possible.

retirementrocks · 07/08/2023 16:39

Sorry if the following makes me sound harsh. More self preservation , not just in my interests but that of husband, daughter and grandchild too.

I have put down, and will continue to maintain, clear boundaries (and a 40 mile distance) regardless of expectations which, as a daughter, are so much more than would have been expected of my brother if he was still alive. I am guessing that the vast majority of people who have responded to Poochypaw's post are women?
It is unfair that medics and other services expect adult daughters, (and sons in some cases), to shoulder responsibility. I organised the home care and some of the equipment to make life easier for aged parents and I visit once a week as their daughter...not a carer. I am not there to skivvy or to nurse. Professional carers are in place to do that. That's not to say I don't have sleepless nights or that I don't worry, I do. But I'd be spreading myself very thinly if I took on the major responsibility as their carer (which I'd be shit at, by the way) and my own health would suffer. Not exactly a spring chicken!
I love them dearly and I enjoy our time together which I wouldn't do if I was there every day in the role as major carer. When they finally pop their clogs, I want to feel some grief, not overwhelming relief.
We have made it very clear to our daughter that we DO NOT expect her to step in if either DH or I become ill and infirm, and she must resist all efforts to suggest she should!

Brumbies · 07/08/2023 16:40

Wow OP I'm glad you're not my relative!

tescocreditcard · 07/08/2023 16:41

Brumbies · 07/08/2023 16:40

Wow OP I'm glad you're not my relative!

I expect the OP is mightily grateful not to be your relative too.

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