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The mental trauma caused by boarding

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GodessOfThunder · 25/07/2023 19:28

Very interesting book:
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/08/boarding-school-syndrome-joy-schaverien-review

“Attachment – the crucial establishment of trust and security through a primary carer – is the basis of modern child development psychology. Boarding schools could not have broken or redirected healthy attachment more effectively, as Schaverien illustrates. From the moment the parent drove away, a child had to adjust to the fact that not only was privacy and safety no longer guaranteed – let alone the consolation of a hug – but that their parents had chosen this future. John Bowlby, the psychologist famous for first coming up with attachment theory in the 1960s, described public school as part of “the time-honoured barbarism required to produce English gentlemen”

Boarding School Syndrome review – education and the pain of separation | Society books | The Guardian

A gripping academic study of the mental wounds inflicted by classic British institutions

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/08/boarding-school-syndrome-joy-schaverien-review

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Mojoj · 26/07/2023 13:48

SEN issues aside, sending an 8 yr old to boarding school is child abuse and shouldn't be allowed.

SoonToBeinSpotlight · 26/07/2023 13:48

minipie · 25/07/2023 22:19

Just for balance. DH chose to board from 9 - could have stayed as day pupil but asked to board. Not due to abusive or sub standard home life, just thought the boarders were having more fun. Boarded till 18 and enjoyed throughout.

I think the key thing is choice. Not boarding vs day but listening to your kids.

Agree - I chose boarding at 12, and never regretted it.

Tonty · 26/07/2023 14:41

Presumably the 8 year old went to a feeder boarding prep for Harrow and moved to Harrow at 13

True or maybe it didn't happen at all could also be true.

My ex went to Harrow. He was v damaged by being dropped off quite brutally at 8 are the exact words of @TarquinOliverNimrod . Always better to stick to the truth than embellish things for the sake of a sensational story.

KimMumsnet · 26/07/2023 14:47

Hi, all. We've now moved this thread to the general Education topic as we feel it's more fitting here.

GodessOfThunder · 26/07/2023 14:55

KimMumsnet · 26/07/2023 14:47

Hi, all. We've now moved this thread to the general Education topic as we feel it's more fitting here.

How come?

It’s directly about boarding schools.

I suspect it’s a case of “best not put a downer on the boarding school thread as it’s full of some of the most affluent Mumsnetters and we want to keep them happy cos selling audiences to advertisers”

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GodessOfThunder · 26/07/2023 14:58

AgeingDoc · 26/07/2023 11:43

That's unkind.
I have no skin in the game as none of my children ever boarded but I know there are many and varied reasons why people choose this option and to write them all off as uncaring parents is completely unfair.
If you have a child with a particular talent eg music, dance, some sports and so on, then depending on where you live boarding may be the best or only practical way to nurture those abilities. Some children have additional needs which can best be met in a residential setting. It's the norm for children in some rural areas to board at least weekly as there simply isn't a secondary school within commuting distance. And I am sure there are many other reasons.I have a friend who is currently going through a particularly acrimonious divorce who feels her teenager is best away from the home environment at present. Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, I have my doubts in fact, but I do know that my friend has made the decision for boarding in what she genuinely believes is the best interest of her child and not because she can't be bothered to parent.
I am sure there are some "bad" parents who send their children to board, just as there are plenty of examples of poor parenting in other educational settings, but it's ridiculous to suggest that boarding parents are a homogenous group who don't want to parent their children. I imagine it must be a very difficult decision for many. None of my children have ever wanted to board despite having interests that would be well served in specialist schools and I have to say I am very relieved that I never had to make that decision.

I find it odd someone would not see their child day to day just so they could get to grade 8 on, say, the flute.

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saboyn · 26/07/2023 15:16

The school my son attended is often mentioned on here and is said to pride itself on lack of pastoral care. That's not the official line of course but spot on.

The thing I found most disturbing is the lengths the school are willing to go to in order to cover up, along with willing parents.

They do not wish to learn the lessons of the past.... They talk about change but are completely unwilling to do the decent thing.

These institutions are no longer fit for purpose but then they never were.

AgeingDoc · 26/07/2023 15:19

I find it odd someone would not see their child day to day just so they could get to grade 8 on, say, the flute.
Don't be silly. We are not talking about averagely good kids. The type of children who go to specialist boarding schools are very talented individuals who are hoping for professional careers in their chosen field not to pass graded exams (they've probably done that before they even audition.) Teachers who can train to that level don't grow on trees and unless you are very lucky you're unlikely to find local training that's good enough, or enough similarly able children to work alongside.

Louloulouenna · 26/07/2023 15:23

Biggest mistake of my life was to send our oldest to a prestigious boarding school. What shocked me even more than the horrible bullying was how the other parents closed ranks and didn’t want to know, even when their own children were suffering.

Louloulouenna · 26/07/2023 15:24

Just read your post saboyn, the cover ups are the very worst part.

saboyn · 26/07/2023 15:29

They are @Louloulouenna ,sending my son has destroyed me. They are full of the worst type of people.

cata09x · 26/07/2023 15:36

I boarded from 9-18 years old and loved most of it. The excursions and day trips out with my close friends - I would've hated being a day pupil and missing out on everything, especially considering less than 5% of the school were day pupils.

Madamecastafiore · 26/07/2023 16:36

As I said bellow most child sexual abuse is perpetrated by parents so you're more likely to be abused at home than boarding school.

There of course will be abuse perpetrated at scouts, children's homes, at music lessons, by private tutors and at boarding school but statistically you're more likely to be abused by those you live with in the home.

I worked in CAMHS and didn't see one incidence of a child admitted from boarding school, most went to state school and a disproportionate amount came from grammar schools.

It's not for everyone but lots and lots of children thrive at boarding school.

Of course we don't pay for our kids to go to boarding school to get a grade 8 in flute 🙄.

ordellrobie · 26/07/2023 17:07

Have a baby, get as far away from it as possible. This is modern Western parenting and I think it's so weird. It's not just this either but this is a really weird thing to do.

But the wealthy live in a different world. Offspring are often about keeping wealth in the family so it makes sense to do this. I suppose only the wealthy do it though as it's very expensive.

Twyford · 26/07/2023 17:23

My grandmother was an extraordinarily non-maternal woman, goodness only knows why she had children. She also had husbands both of whom worked in the then colonial service, so was travelling around quite a lot, with the result that my mother went to boarding school at the age of 4(!) and spent holidays with her bachelor uncle, who was lovely but obviously not the same as two loving parents. It certainly damaged her; although she was a better parent than her mother, she still seemed to lack basic empathy and could be really difficult to deal with.

Twyford · 26/07/2023 17:26

I read something the other day when it was pointed out that most people are desperate not to have their children taken away and put into care, yet the rich actively seek it out and pay a fortune for it. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but even recognising that some parents have no choice for the reasons identified on this thread, it has the ring of truth for those who opt for boarding voluntarily.

GodessOfThunder · 26/07/2023 17:27

AgeingDoc · 26/07/2023 15:19

I find it odd someone would not see their child day to day just so they could get to grade 8 on, say, the flute.
Don't be silly. We are not talking about averagely good kids. The type of children who go to specialist boarding schools are very talented individuals who are hoping for professional careers in their chosen field not to pass graded exams (they've probably done that before they even audition.) Teachers who can train to that level don't grow on trees and unless you are very lucky you're unlikely to find local training that's good enough, or enough similarly able children to work alongside.

Ok, fine, play in an orchestra. But what’s the point being second violin in, say, the Birmingham Philharmonic if the price is deep mental wounds?

It’s basically a near psychotic internalisation of conventional notions of “success”.

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Hoppinggreen · 26/07/2023 17:28

Madamecastafiore · 26/07/2023 16:36

As I said bellow most child sexual abuse is perpetrated by parents so you're more likely to be abused at home than boarding school.

There of course will be abuse perpetrated at scouts, children's homes, at music lessons, by private tutors and at boarding school but statistically you're more likely to be abused by those you live with in the home.

I worked in CAMHS and didn't see one incidence of a child admitted from boarding school, most went to state school and a disproportionate amount came from grammar schools.

It's not for everyone but lots and lots of children thrive at boarding school.

Of course we don't pay for our kids to go to boarding school to get a grade 8 in flute 🙄.

I am sure you are right but I do think that most DC who needed MH support and who’s parents could afford Boarding school would be more likely to access it privately rather than use CAHMS

SleepingisanArt · 26/07/2023 17:31

I am now in my mid 50s and went to boarding school from 11 to 18. I enjoyed it. I am independent, resilient, inquisitive, have a healthy sense of humour and am very caring. I am a forces child so future moves at inconvenient times in my education meant it was better for me to board. It was a good stepping stone for uni - I'd already lived away from home!

GodessOfThunder · 26/07/2023 17:36

Twyford · 26/07/2023 17:26

I read something the other day when it was pointed out that most people are desperate not to have their children taken away and put into care, yet the rich actively seek it out and pay a fortune for it. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but even recognising that some parents have no choice for the reasons identified on this thread, it has the ring of truth for those who opt for boarding voluntarily.

It’s nuts isn’t it?

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strongcupofTea · 26/07/2023 17:37

Well most politicians went to boarding school so that gives us an example of how they usually turn out.
My dad went to one from age 7 and he was a cold man. A lot of ex boarders are so far gone into the system that they don't realise they're any different. They don't actually know how to be like the rest of society.

NoTouch · 26/07/2023 17:48

I was at a wedding a couple of weeks ago and met an aunt I hadn't seen for years, I am not close to my cousins either as they, lets say, move in different circles.

Her and her dh were working class, but her dh did very well in a large engineering firm, director level, he worked abroad at times and she went with him. She was saying she regretted sending her ds and 2 dds to boarding school as she doesn't have the same relationship with them that she had with her own mum and blames her decision to send to boarding school on that.

They are very "detached" from her and said she is envious when she visits and sees how close her dds are with their own, now teen dc and she feels more like a distant aunt than a mum/gran.

They gave them everything financially - best school/education, house deposits, a network of successful friends and they are living their best lives. She only realises in hindsight she also paid for it with her relationship with them.

Louloulouenna · 26/07/2023 17:48

Yes one of the nuttiest things I came across was a couple who turned their home into a b&b to fund boarding school fees. So they took strangers in to their home in order to fund sending their dc’s away to live in an institution.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 26/07/2023 17:56

Both of my parents boarded - they were from farming families, and so had to, for high school.

My Mum loved it and remained friends with her school friends until she died.

My Dad - shy, not sporty, hated it. He never spoke about it, but I know he hated it. His younger brother (head prefect and captain of the first XV) loved it.

Based on my Mum’s stories of her time there, I desperately wanted to board.

It was a categoric ‘no’ from both of them. And looking back with adult understanding, I’m very grateful for that.

LuluGuinea · 26/07/2023 17:58

Madamecastafiore · 26/07/2023 12:39

Most childhood sexual abuse is perpetrated by family members so I'm afraid that's a load of codswallop.

Abuse from other children in the form of bullying is one of the commonest forms though and it has a high risk for developing trauma related issues. But then again you will get it in any school.

Regarding sexual abuse, well many of us had encounters with flashers as children or teenagers, dirty old men who groped so I guess it is endemic everywhere.