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How do we feel that private school kids fill Russell Group Unis?.... Controversial alert.

482 replies

faraday · 03/07/2009 21:00

Yet I am increasingly finding that most of the people I know who have chosen private have done so because their DC just couldn't cope either socially or keep up academically in the local state schools (or a mixture of both!)- so they're individually hand-held, spoon-fed and tutored in the private sector- then emerge ready to grab those limited places from perhaps more clever but marginally less 'graded up' state school kids?

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MaryMotherOfCheeses · 03/07/2009 21:34

I'll let you off then Quattro. I thought you'd gone mad for a moment there!

Doobydoo · 03/07/2009 21:37

No Sweetfall,it dosen't actually.We have decided what our priorities are and one of us has always been with the children whilst the other worked and no we aren't really rich and never have been.You don't know my circumstances so don't be so aggressive.

violethill · 03/07/2009 21:39

People educate their children privately for all sorts of reasons. IME a key factor being parental experience. If parents have no first hand experience of the state sector, they can tend to equte their own success with a fee paying education, and they are fearful of state education. If parents have been state educated and are successful and well off, they tend to have confidence that their children can also be successful without needing a fee paying education.

Intelligence has not got much to do with it.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 03/07/2009 21:41

You've missed out those parents that had a dire time in their state school and want to make sure their children don't have to endure the same shite!

violethill · 03/07/2009 21:43

actually, home educating does rely on one parent being able to afford to be at home so sweetfall is entirely correct. That doesn't mean you need to be rolling in it - but you are comparatively well off.

The financial factor can be misleading though. Many people would afford to pay school fees but don't feel the need to. Where I live, most of the academics (University city) and the intelligensia use the state system and perceive the private schools as being targeted more towards the middle class, reasonably clever but not uber bright.

Haribosmummy · 03/07/2009 21:46

I agree and disagree Violet

Agree: Experience is a key factor
I was educated at a crap school and, even though I did well academically, I hated every single minute I was there.

HATED it. I didn't fit in and I was bullied (not particularily badly... excluded is probably a better word) by lot of kids for wanting to get out and get away.

The day I went to Uni was the first day I actually enjoyed my education.

Doobydoo · 03/07/2009 21:46

As I have said,you don't know the circumstances[financial]and I doubt you would be interested we have muddled through over time and have tough times moneywise,but it is our choice,so no,actually Seetfall,is not correct when speaking about our situation.
Best stick to the op

trickerg · 03/07/2009 21:50

How exciting! Just found out that I went to a Russell Group Uni!!!

retiredgoth2 · 03/07/2009 21:50

...I went, briefly, to a Russell Group university for a year in 2007 as a mature student.

(I had to give up after the first year, as childcare had become impossible)

...I was doing History, a reputedly nobby subject, at Bristol, a reputedly nobby University.

There were 100 students in the year, about 95 of them were Jeremy and Jemimas from the poshest possible schools (at least two Etonians).

However.

...this is not all the University's fault. It is really trying to be inclusive, if sometimes in a ham fisted way. For example, History students were sent as 'ambassadors' to some of the lower achieving schools in the arse end of Bristol, as a way of showing the kids there that students were just like them. I fear that this initiative will have had precisely the opposite effect, though.....

...the real truth is, Bristol was full of posh kids from posh schools (who were mostly pretty bright and very personable it must be said) because that is who applies there!

When I applied, a fat 40 something from a postcode with 'low Uni participation', some crappy 'A' levels from a dodgy Comp, half an 80s Politics degree from a third division poly, and a few OU credits, they snapped me up.

....I gave them 'inclusivity points' I think.

I am sure that if more bright kids from other backgrounds bothered to apply, instead of self-selecting themselves to Thames Valley or Bournemouth or the like, then they would be accepted....

There endeth the lesson.

Quattrocento · 03/07/2009 21:52

See, where I live, all bright children go to independent schools, partly because all the state schools have dire results....

violethill · 03/07/2009 21:53

Without knowing all the individual circumstances, it's perfectly reasonable to state the fact that home educating is dependent on being able to afford to have one parent at home. I've no axe to grind here - we could afford for one of us to stay at home, or to pay school fees for all our children if we chose, And I accept that some people may scrimp and save to afford to home educate. But at the end of the day, home educating is a luxury that a lot of people couldn't afford even if they wanted it.

Colonelcupcake · 03/07/2009 21:54

[quotw=quatrocento]well away from the asbo-and-knife-gang infested state schools[/quote] that is really not fair on state schools their are loads of good state schools about and private is not always best

Quattrocento · 03/07/2009 21:57

I was being deliberately provocative Colonel. I don't believe that every state school has a knife gang and lots of feral asbo children around, you knoww. I was just trying to get the OP to realise that it's unfair to generalise that independently educated children are being independently educated because they lack brains or social skills.

piscesmoon · 03/07/2009 21:59

My DS went to a Russell Group university from his state comprehensive-he was in the majority.

violethill · 03/07/2009 22:01

Same here pisces.

pointydog · 03/07/2009 22:07

all teh bright children go to independent schools?

I hope that was a joke

piscesmoon · 03/07/2009 22:08

I was a bit surprised by OP. I thought the main complaint was that they were favouring the state pupil and so DCs were going into a state 6th form to further their chances-have I got that wrong?

Quattrocento · 03/07/2009 22:10

It's funny that no-one bats an eyelid when someone posts that all independently educated children are being independently educated because they lack social or academic skills. Yet when someone posts that state educated children are being state educated because they lack brains - there's lots of objections

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 03/07/2009 22:12

I batted several eyelids Quattro. It appears no one wants to acknowledge me on here though.

pointydog · 03/07/2009 22:12

The op is ridiculous too. Of course some private school kids a re brainy. Don;t be so defensive - we expect better of you

violethill · 03/07/2009 22:13

Don't think the OP said 'all', just a lot of the people she knows have those reasons for going private.

pointydog · 03/07/2009 22:14

she said 'most'. I doubt that's true

supersalstrawberry · 03/07/2009 22:14

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pointydog · 03/07/2009 22:16

yes, depends on the subject def. Have you ever seen the Fine Art students at a russell group uni?

Other bad ones: latin languages (funny how it was mainly comp kids who took german), history, eng lit

musicposy · 03/07/2009 22:16

No, home educating does not rely on having one parent not working. This is completely incorrect. We home educate and both my husband and I work. We could not afford to pay our mortgage (on our very modest terraced house) otherwise. I work from home and my husband works shifts, so we work at different times. The one that is not working is with the children. Sometimes we are both working and then my parents have them. I know of families where one person works in the day and the other in the evenings and weekends. Pretty tough, but let down by the state and unable to afford private, they do it.

We are certainly not rich enough to afford private school however much scrimping and saving we did- the fees for our two girls would be more than our combined income! So we are very definitely not rich, or even comfortably off as you put it - we're not far out of the definition of poverty - and I know many other home ed families who get by on a low income with a huge juggling act, like we do. So, no, it's not a luxury, and your facts are wrong.

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