Play date with mum who agrees with education tax

[BonnuitMy]

Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I recently overheard a new mum at school talking about a local private school closing down due to the education tax and how this is somehow a good thing. She’s now invited my DD for a play date, would you accept?

Yeah because the state schools aren't able to educate due to having everyone in compulsory education

Whereas you weren't being rude at all, were you?

Do your own reflection instead of telling other people that they "think they're so superior" and should reflect.

No answer on why - if private school is such a tax break - just 10% of children switching from private to state education will cost the state more money than they take in VAT from the 90% who remain in private?

Private schools - parents educating their children entirely at their own cost - save the state around £4.4 billion annually. That's just the direct saving, not even counting employment etc

Just to remind you, you are arguing to tax the education of children and close down schools.

Just to remind you, you know I'm not and you've had it explained to you in simple terms.

It's quite disingenuous to start a thread on one thing when really all you want to do is bang a drum on another topic. I'd never have joined if it had been clear from the start it's yet one more thread from people who can't see beyond their privilege. You put up a vote and that vast majority of people have disagreed with you. That must sting.

No, I would not let my child go on a play date to such a household.

If she enjoys a local school closing, would she also have enjoyed it if it were a state school, a religious school (Christian, Muslim, Jewish?)

Would she be jealous if your kid get a bigger part in a play? If you go on better holidays than her? Etc etc

Best to avoid these types of people.

Just to remind you, you know I'm not and you've had it explained to you in simple terms.

I really have no idea what we’re talking about now? You’ve been making comments that led me to believe you supported the education tax? I think we have our wires crossed

It is a real shame but society here is throwing up all sorts of bigots now.
Those who were and still are pro Brexit, those who are xenophobic/racist/Islamophobic/anti Semitic, those who vote Reform and now also those who want to tax private schools.
All as bad as each other really. Because they want to marginalise certain other groups to make themselves feel better!
You must teach your children to not marginalise others, it is incredibly important.

@Zonder , just reading back on your comments and I think you were referring to the business rate hikes and not the education tax?

Oh, the irony!

Some wires are definitely crossed. You know there's no education tax. But as I said, I wouldn't have joined this thread if I had realised it was just another moan about poor private school businesses losing out.

I'll be more careful in future not to get drawn in by a fake title. Read your poll results. Ouch.

@Araminta1003
You have channeled my inner John McEnroe. 🤣
I can only assume you are being ironic.

Private education is a prime example of one group who wish to marginalise certain other groups to make themselves feel better!

Hmm ok. I think this explains your misunderstanding and defensiveness. Just leaving this link here that explains the tax on education and vocational training for children of compulsory education age:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

I am not being ironic at all!

You see many of us have outside influences having lived in different countries and having different eg European roots. We find your classist Education tax deeply deeply offensive and given a lot of us have contributed massively to your economy over many years, good luck with this one! It is another form of Brexit shit as far as most of us are concerned. Hope you all choke on your classist bile.

Interesting, I’ve also lived in different countries and I’m Spanish by birth. I wonder if this is why I can’t begin to fathom people wanting to reduce their own children’s access to education.

That is your prejudice talking - and Labour's divisive rhetoric - not reality.

Private education is made up of parents who want to educate their children as well as they can - and are willing to pay for that with their own money. (in addition to paying their fair share of all state services, the same as everyone else)

I actually genuinely can't see how you've twisted things around to turn 'paying for your child's education - in addition to paying your contribution to fund state services' into 'marginalising other groups to make yourself feel better'.

Truly an upside down world.

I am going to try and explain this now.
I think the British have some sort of deep issue with private schools and the class system.
The rest of us who are both British and other nationalities (or just other nationalities) do not typically have these issues. In countries such as India, even China, France, Germany, Spain etc etc private schools is just private school. The ethos is you choose what suits your child best and you value education.
As a lot of the school children in these British private schools are from those countries now as well, what you are doing to them and their families is deeply offensive and divisive. You are marginalising them for coming here working hard, contributing to your economy etc.

Who's us and you in this scenario? Is your usual response to disagreeing with a country's domestic policies to desire the population chokes on its own bile? Sounds a completely reasonable response if a little racist 🤨

You may not like my views that private education is morally wrong; and that the results of a privately educated managing and governing elite has damaged this country massively - but to write them off as 'my prejudices' is a bit trite.
Different people have different views you know.

“You may not like my views that private education is morally wrong; and that the results of a privately educated managing and governing elite has damaged this country massively - but to write them off as 'my prejudices' is a bit trite.
Different people have different views you know.“

The problem @Grumpyoldpersonwithcats is that your views are massively intolerant to the children caught up in this, including those with SEND and those from lots of different countries.
And your class issues with your elite - how is it fair to take that out on children and families (and probably teaching staff too).

It is not tolerant whatsoever. It is very divisive. You may think you are directing your political views at an anonymised “institution”. You are not, these are real people and kids caught up in this. Many already disrupted during Covid as well. And if they are of a different nationality/origin as well it is most unwelcoming.

@DarkForces - like I said I am dual national. My father is British, born in Britain etc so are my grandparents down many generations. I do not recognise my country anymore.

If the education is being provided for no charge (for example, local authority maintained schools, city technology colleges, sixth form colleges, academies and free schools, see paragraph 3.2). The VAT consequences are that this is not ‘in business’ for VAT purposes

Did you miss this?

@Araminta1003
And equally your views are massively intolerant and massively divisive for the 90 odd percent of the population who have no choice so have to put up with what you clearly regard as an inferior offering.
Personally I want ALL education to he better. As more pushy upper middle class parents are diverted into the state sector, there us a chance to improve it from within. But let's not pretend that private school parents' currently give a flying fuck about the state school down the road, other than to try to keep their kids away from the children who go there.
As for your 'classist bile' I was subject to this shit as a child because I had a scholarship to a very high ranking school yet I was regarded as working class so bullied persistently as a result of it. The 'classist bile' of which you so fondly speak is massively prevalent across the privately educated (Bullingdon club as an extreme example) and used both overtly and subtly to maintain a status quo.
I'll suggest again that people read either or both of these books.

Interesting take. Not one I'd go for.