Play date with mum who agrees with education tax

[BonnuitMy]

Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I recently overheard a new mum at school talking about a local private school closing down due to the education tax and how this is somehow a good thing. She’s now invited my DD for a play date, would you accept?

I didn't miss it. It was rather overtaken by your sentiment of wanting people who disagree with you to choke on their own bile?

I haven't shared my opinion on vat on private education at all on this thread. The question was whether the op should have a play date with a parent who had a different opinion to them. I have recommended being open minded and getting to know people with a diverse range of views and perspectives

Did I miss children at state funded schools aren’t paying education tax? No @Zonder , I caught that bit. LOL

Hope the play date goes well @BonnuitMy. Isn't that what this thread is all about?

This is simply a bigoted view of a group of children, it’s shameful.

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats - my DC still in state primary (albeit RC), others in state grammar schools.

Do you really think those of us with kids in grammar or church state schools do not feel threatened by this as well?!

Are you honestly suggesting that my views on private education are race related?

That is a very ugly accusation and complete and utter bollocks.

Protecting the “Working class” my arse. We are not stupid.

“I'll suggest again that people read either or both of these books.”

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats - you really think I am going to purchase the books of a bigot and fill their pockets?

And honestly @Grumpyoldpersonwithcats - you got “bullied” at school and now your answer is for kids with SEND to be turfed out of their school?

Ever heard of generational trauma? You are perpetuating the bullying. Perhaps seek some therapy.

Totally forgot about that, the thread seems to be about taxing education to prevent children of the corn taking over the country now.

Authors.
Francis Green - professor at UCL
David Kynaston - hon professor of history at Kingston
Robert Verkaik journalist who writes on education and extremism for both the Guardian and the Sunday Telegraph.

Clearly all bigots.

Given academics and intelligentsia are next in the way things are going, I hope they realise they are turkeys voting for Christmas @Grumpyoldpersonwithcats

There is a line of right and wrong. You do not turf children out of their schools post Covid because of your own political hangups.

@Araminta1003

1. You have accused me of racism with no evidence or justification.
2. You have suggested I have therapy because my experience has shaped my views on private education.
3. You have accused me and anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a bigot.
4. You've written off two well reviewed books as written by bigots because they dare to question your reality.

This all says far more about you than me.

And I am sure someone like Francis Green thinks he is protecting children long term etc, and it is just the way the Labour Party implemented this now who is to blame when thousands of children with SENDs get their futures ruined and mental health and a whole lot of South Asian parents etc feel completely marginalised. Because I am sure he thinks he is doing the right thing. However, he is not. It is unkind and intolerant towards the actual children involved here and their parents and their teachers. And it will never be forgotten by them just @Grumpyoldpersonwithcats you do not forget the bullying you experienced. So this is just going to cause deep wounds and division, yet again.

I don't think there is any justification for state-funded faith schools.of any type in a modern, secular society. I realise that's not a policy that's feasible or going to be adopted any time soon, and it certainly doesn't form a major part of my character. It also isn't an inherited trait in my kids (I have absolutely no idea what they think about that topic, it's up to them).

If holding that view privately would make my kids' house haram for playdates with yours, then you need to look in the mirror to see where the tolerance problem is.

Imposing your own educational one size fits all values on others in a very multicultural and diverse society is completely intolerant.

Not sure how I can help anyone who does not see that.

So no-one who has been through the state school system is educated? Only children who have been to a private school are educated to your standard? That sounds like a very prejudiced and elitist point of view.

Studies suggest that state educated students often out-perform their privately educated peers at University. That was certainly the case at the Russell Group university where I worked.

Yes. It's certainly swayed my opinion and not I suspect in the direction you intended.

It wasn’t a private view, it was a public view at the school gates. The school gates of a school taking in children from the recently closed school that the lady was crowing about being forced to close.

Absolutely correct ^

Sectioning off different groups of kids into their own exclusionary institutions for 14 years is the opposite of how diversity, multiculturalism and progressivism works.

Not sure how I can help anyone who does not see that

(And also, I'm not imposing my views on anyone. Might be hard to understand that from the pulpit perspective of RC indoctrination/education)

14 years? What nonsense. A lot of people mix and match private schooling with state schooling. Perhaps actually go and engage with the data.

This is a hate tax, pure and simple, come out of haters. And the worst part is the dressing up as goodie goodie two shoes. Utter hypocrisy!

You see. I am right.

Church state schools and grammar schools next. Thanks for confirming that one @tortoise18

And that is exactly why some of us state school parents will be fighting this corner too.
None of you own our children. We decide what we do with them. You do not get to indoctrinate them. And many of us are also perfectly free to remove them from the future labour market here as well. Which I fully intend on doing unless this country redefines its values of tolerance towards all. And that includes private school kids.

I'm not talking about VAT, am I? I'm talking about you not sending your kids to the houses of people who think, in the abstract, that faith schools shouldn't be funded by the state. And saying that they, not you, are the intolerant ones. The lack of self-awareness is stellar.

"Hate tax" is funny though. Are you going to be using that instead of "education tax" now?

Funny how the original post has developed from the mum “talking” about the school closing as if it was a good thing to “crowing” and “laughing” about it