Play date with mum who agrees with education tax

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Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I recently overheard a new mum at school talking about a local private school closing down due to the education tax and how this is somehow a good thing. She’s now invited my DD for a play date, would you accept?

Maybe try it? If you open your mind your brain doesn't fall out.

I am interested in your logic that allows all these things to be true:

• Private Education Businesses (otherwise known as private schools) can select students based solely on the ability of the parent to pay, often extortionate fees, and this is acceptable discrimination.
• Determining that these businesses fall alongside other private service providers and other private education providers and therefore should charge parents VAT on top of their profit making business model is unfair to some children who fall at the border of being able to pay the fees and not being able to pay VAT.

You are a bit snippy aren’t you? I was just saying that I would assume that is the case, as a fair few people don’t agree with private education, doesn’t mean they have any problem with the kids at all!

In fairness, I only know what you write down and not what you are saying.

You're talking as if education is being taxed. It's not.

It is. Private education is education. The fees for that are being taxed. It’s black and white in the legislation. It’s a tax on education services.

taxed by the normal business tax rate.

”Business tax”? There’s no such thing as “business tax”. Output VAT, which is being discussed here is not a tax on a business. It’s a tax on the customer.

Private education is education. The fees for that are being taxed. It’s black and white in the legislation. It’s a tax on education services.

Well bizarrely most education services don't have to pay it so it's clearly not a tax on education services. It's a tax on businesses doing their business.

The tax can easily be avoided by not using these businesses. Education is available in many other places.

I think you’re muddled. It’s a tax on education services. It’s clear in the legislation. That is a fact. It’s not an opinion.

It’s also not a tax on business, as already clearly explained.

The misunderstanding of basic facts from those with such strong views is mind boggling.

Can you access education without being taxed?
Problem solved.

Actually, no. My own MP has confirmed that there are no state school places available in the LEA in my children’s years even if we wanted to use them. My MP had no suggestions of where they could go even if we wanted to switch to state.

It’s entirely irrelevant anyway. The fact is that VAT is a tax on education. The fact that the state provides an education at no cost doesn’t change that.

Just wait until the rest of Europe find out we’ve solved the age old problem troubling humanity for 100s of years, tax free education choice.

dont Try to be cute. We all know we pay tax for tree at point of use education. What I’m asking is, can you access that without further tax? The answer is, obviously, yes.

The LEA has a responsibility to educate your child. They’ll find somewhere. Maybe if you hadn’t aimed to buy privilege and had gone into the system from the start it would have been smoother, but they’ll find you a place.
VAT isn’t a tax on education. If it were I wouldn’t be paying it on my clothes.

You think you are so superior in your understanding don’t you?
Maybe reflect that since so many disagree with you there might be more to it than you think.

Following the crowd is rarely the best way to understand anything of non-trivial complexity. Maybe reflect on the purpose of taxation, and on why - if private school is such a tax break - just 10% of children switching from private to state education will cost the state more money than they take in VAT from the 90% who remain in private.

Exactly.

Thank goodness we have people buying privilege because the state system is a shambles and nothing to do with them. I would rather have an educated work force.

That's a fact not an opinion 😂

How do you explain state schools not getting taxed if it's education that's being targeted? Can't you see it's he BUSINESS side that's targeted? Muddled 😂

Exactly this. Obviously us plebs can't understand the superior arguments.

There are no fees charged for state education so there’s nothing to apply output VAT to.

It's not the education. It's the money being paid that is taxed. People can have education. They just can't pay for a particular setting without it being taxed. It's the setting not the education that is being paid for. Education happens for free in plenty of places.

7% of students go private. If the state system was unable to provide an educated workforce we would have a huge problem.

I’m sorry I don’t seem to be able to follow anything non-trivial.
How rude.

You have an issue with educated workforce. Hence why the NHS has lots of overseas workers. Why lots of people don't work.

Why are you so jealous of parenting wanting he convenience of paying for their child's education?

I'm sure you know that's not why the NHS has so many overseas staff!