Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 7

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Continuation of previous threads discussing VAT on independent school fees. The thread title is a headline from a Times article last autumn.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5237575-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5242586-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5280646-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-3
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5317397-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-5
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5337850-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-6

Grow up and stop flouncing. You clearly don’t stop commenting as you pop up every time the thread is live again. Can you not handle the fact that people don’t agree with you and the power of your arguments haven’t convinced us that it is fine for our government to destroy our livelihoods (and disrupt children’s education). I am delighted your income is high enough to still support this shit. Many of us are not that lucky.

I actually disagree. I think the policy might well be dropped if Reform get in next.

I think that whilst people might not generally feel strongly about this particular policy, they do feel strongly that Labour are hammering strivers. Private Schools fall into this category. Basically a feeling that Labour will tax you into oblivion if you dare to earn more than a pretty average wage, dare to go to probate school or university to improve your job prospects or dare to start a successful business. A lot of the taxes are very expensive to reverse but this is an easy one that signifies a shift in sentiment. It also is a policy that I strongly suspect by by the next election will be proven to have cost the country money so will be seen for the spiteful for policy it is.

“You’re not impacted by it”
”I am impacted by it”
”Ah, well, that’s not what we meant by impact”

I can handle the fact you disagree with me: it’s MN, lots of people disagree with each other, it wouldn’t be much of a forum otherwise.

And I am not trying to persuade any of you to change your views. I do find it vaguely amusing that you seem to you not changing your views as a failure on my part, but ascribe no failure to yourself for not changing my views 🤷‍♀️

TTFN.

Of course Reform will drop the VAT. It’s lunacy and theft, just like the huge interest on student loans.

Right now a whole lot of influential people with kids in private schools are going Reform. Would love to know how many Etonian parents and grandparents are now Reform.

And it’s all Labour’s fault. Just when I thought things could not get any worse post Brexit and Tories, we got this shower of infighting shit in with their petty vindictive policies. Same is happening to tenants by the way as is happening to kids with SEND in private schools. If you have incompetent vindictive and stupid people in power that is what you get.

Also with all the 16 year olds being allowed to vote in the next election, will be fascinating to see what happens in private schools. And also the teachers and staff there who may previously have been Labour voters.

And the reason I say that is because I know that my grammar school kids are currently mainly Green/Lib Dem/Labour camp but if any of these parties personally attract their schools and their identity, they would feel very strongly and shift very quickly.

Identity politics comes with a huge price tag and loss attached.

That was meant to say if their schools were under direct attack like private schools have been, singled out, their identity and values at stake, they would shift. You cannot attack people as a group especially not powerful ones, it’s madness.

Well let's agree to disagree.
I don't have an issue with the policy, it has broad support, it effects very few people - it's just not a big deal nationally. I doubt it will be dropped, but who knows.

The only person to blame for voting Reform is the person who votes Reform. Just because things are bad, it is never the case they could not be worse - same as with Brexit, which was so highly applauded by Trump and Putin at the time. It is ridiculous to argue that it is entirely someone else’s fault if you are an idiot. Personally, I think a lot of influential people are happy to vote Reform because they have Fascist leanings, anyway. Either that or they are as stupid as the people who thought they could control Hitler. Farage’s strings will not be pulled by the moderates if he gets into power, although he is clearly susceptible to having his strings pulled by Putin and Trump.

Conservatives and Reform have said they’ll drop it, not sure about Lib Dems.

It’ll go because it’s a terrible policy and people won’t care that it’s gone.

I guess we'll see, I can't see it happening. It's a popular policy that is forecast to make money and effects barely anyone - I can't see a reason to drop it.

I don’t care if I don’t change your views or if I don’t change yours. I don’t mind people posting their own point of view - that’s Mumsnet. What I don’t want is for your views to be unchallenged so that it looks like the consensus is that this policy hasn’t damaged people’s lives. You are entitled to your opinion, based on your life and how it has impacted you and so am I. I (and many others) have found the policy incredibly damaging. At most, you are vaguely pleased there was a possible diversion of money to state school breakfast clubs (which will never happen). On this basis, I am probably more invested in the discussion and will keep highlighting the failure of an elected government to make sound economic decisions.

I do enjoy how you haunt this tread as much (and more) than most posters but then throw out random comments about how we are all obsessed. You can’t keep away either.

Why is it a popular policy? It doesn’t benefit anyone in education.

Oh come on! In the context of the Epstein Mandelson story, it's a bit rich to claim that Reform are the only party under the control of some questionable influences.

Left has always been more pro China and pro Russia.

The big question is how Labour somehow convinced people they are there for the greater good and people fell for it? I do not think they will ever all for it again!

Agreed. I used to think that Labour were well-meaning but misguided. I now think they are malicious, destructive, corrupt and the worst of all the parties.

Actually Green are Labour on steroids: probably even more dangerous.

The Labour party is finished. We're entering 'interesting' times.

Oh, come on! Are you talking entire party, or thinking of individuals? I would argue Reform is infinitely more under the influence of malignant external forces than the Labour Party or Conservative Party. Obviously, all parties are susceptible, have been influenced, and have particularly corrupt individuals within them, which people have even happily voted for (eg Boris Johnson), but if you think that’s the same thing, then you’re the same sort of idiot who in Nazi Germany thought Hitler could be controlled when they appointed him chancellor.

Labour are more corrupt and dangerous than Reform. They are deliberately destroying the very core of the UK.

It’s been a long term Labour view that independent schools creaming off the best students and invested parents is detrimental to the state sector. So I’m not sure the government would see this as any kind of failure. It’s sort of the design of the policy not an unintended consequence.

Core of the UK being private schools?

Labour are selling out to AI/STEM at all cost, pro China, anti free speech, the list goes on and on. People may have thought they are just being naive, but it starts looking more sinister than that now.

🤣The evidence is against you on levels of corruption and dangerousness. Looking at Kent County Council, the levels of incompetence, infighting, arrogance and stupidity are right up there, too, with Reform. The clue that Reform will be no better is in the failings of both Tories and Labour. Why people would believe even more outrageous promises and vote in an even more appalling travesty in the making is beyond me.

No 😂

They're deliberately destroying rural communities - because they hate communities which are independent of city-based political elites.

Deliberately making the population less educated: not only by trying to destroy private schools, but also academies (who like private schools have freedom over the curriculum, and teach independent thinking), and preventing Home Ed. They want the population uneducated and indoctrinated.

Deliberately impoverishing the UK with deals like Chagos, and persisting with net zero when no other country is. Mandelson's apparent treason - selling state secrets - might be individual to him, but you can't unlink it from Labour.

Deliberately reducing our energy and food security, to make us dependent on other countries.

They are not on the side of the British people. They are utterly corrupt and very dangerous

“Why people would believe even more outrageous promises and vote in an even more appalling travesty in the making is beyond me.”

Well they already did it post Tories by voting in this current Labour Government and the trajectory seems down hill long term. Unless the Tory Party and anyone remaining in Labour who is sensible can get their act together and join forces and leave all the loonies behind.

At the end of the day, Brexit was the hugest mistake we made and not just economically. It really goes far far beyond that into superpower territory and everyone with half a brain knows it.

“It’s been a long term Labour view that independent schools creaming off the best students and invested parents is detrimental to the state sector. So I’m not sure the government would see this as any kind of failure. It’s sort of the design of the policy not an unintended consequence.”

@Elderlycatparent002 - we need independent schools to exist to question the status quo and the narrowness of the National Curriculum and the way things are heading. It is all pro STEM and Maths at all cost and history, thought, languages all forms of critical thinking and challenges to the status quo are being left behind. It is a deliberate form of control of the population, including putting the youth into debt and shackles, It is all part of it.