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Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 5

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ICouldBeVioletSky · 18/04/2025 11:15

Starting a continuation thread in anticipation of the fourth one filling up…

www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4?page=39

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KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:12

twistyizzy · 30/04/2025 20:25

Ah but Labour sanctioned privilege is fine, it's the other sort that's not!
When I say sanctioned I mean what the MPs themselves do of course. Privilege is fine for them, they just don't want anyone else to have it!

So what education choice would be acceptable for him to make. I think he is probably damned whatever he does -

Private school - hypocrite because he can afford it and others now can't because of him
Average or low performing comp - putting his ideology before his children. He can easily afford private but chooses not to.
High performing comp - hypocrite buying his way in with an expensive house
Grammar - hypocrite for putting his children in selective education while VAT prohibits selective education out for others. And of course he must have paid for tutoring.

What should he do? Drop to a two day week and home school them himself?

twistyizzy · 30/04/2025 21:14

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:01

If we adhere to the correct terminology, rather than your own interpretation of what the terminology should be, his kids do indeed go to non selective state schools.

I really haven't got the energy for this! You can twist my words any way you but it doesn't change the fact his kids go to a schools that's as financially selective as independent schools are accused of being. Stop trying to deflect from his pathetic virtue signalling and hypocrisy! The fact he even has the gaul to present this image says everything.

twistyizzy · 30/04/2025 21:15

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:12

So what education choice would be acceptable for him to make. I think he is probably damned whatever he does -

Private school - hypocrite because he can afford it and others now can't because of him
Average or low performing comp - putting his ideology before his children. He can easily afford private but chooses not to.
High performing comp - hypocrite buying his way in with an expensive house
Grammar - hypocrite for putting his children in selective education while VAT prohibits selective education out for others. And of course he must have paid for tutoring.

What should he do? Drop to a two day week and home school them himself?

No, he needs to be honest. Own his privilege, stop pretending he doesn't buy advantages and privilege for his own kids, and stop attacking other parents for doing the same!

Another76543 · 30/04/2025 21:15

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:12

So what education choice would be acceptable for him to make. I think he is probably damned whatever he does -

Private school - hypocrite because he can afford it and others now can't because of him
Average or low performing comp - putting his ideology before his children. He can easily afford private but chooses not to.
High performing comp - hypocrite buying his way in with an expensive house
Grammar - hypocrite for putting his children in selective education while VAT prohibits selective education out for others. And of course he must have paid for tutoring.

What should he do? Drop to a two day week and home school them himself?

I couldn’t care less what decision he makes with regards to his own children. I do care though that he preaches to others about their choices and punishes them financially for trying to do the best for their children, as he’s trying to do for his. Why is it ok for him to use his resources to give his children the best possible start, but it’s not ok for others to do the same?

Lebr1 · 30/04/2025 21:28

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:12

So what education choice would be acceptable for him to make. I think he is probably damned whatever he does -

Private school - hypocrite because he can afford it and others now can't because of him
Average or low performing comp - putting his ideology before his children. He can easily afford private but chooses not to.
High performing comp - hypocrite buying his way in with an expensive house
Grammar - hypocrite for putting his children in selective education while VAT prohibits selective education out for others. And of course he must have paid for tutoring.

What should he do? Drop to a two day week and home school them himself?

Recognise that education is a public good - do what every civilised country does, and not tax it.
Sack a chancellor who has lied and is not up to the job.
Stop pandering to the Corbynites and supporting their class warfare.
Get his snout out of the trough, stop accepting freebies, and implement a rule that those elected to public office can't accept gifts or hospitality over £25 - this rule already exists for civil servants.
Adhere to the ministerial code and the Nolan principles.
Stop using children, including those with SEN, as political cannon fodder.

Pretty basic stuff. Hardly a high bar. But all too much for Keir, it seems.

I frankly wouldn't give a shit where he sent his children to school if he'd stop interfering with where I send mine.

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:42

twistyizzy · 30/04/2025 21:15

No, he needs to be honest. Own his privilege, stop pretending he doesn't buy advantages and privilege for his own kids, and stop attacking other parents for doing the same!

You didn't answer my question which choice would be acceptable? None, right.

ICouldBeVioletSky · 30/04/2025 21:47

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:42

You didn't answer my question which choice would be acceptable? None, right.

Labour is hellbent - absolutely hellbent!! - on removing parental choice on education. So forgive us if we don’t feel Starmer and his cronies should be enjoying boundless choice themselves.
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KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:49

ICouldBeVioletSky · 30/04/2025 21:47

Labour is hellbent - absolutely hellbent!! - on removing parental choice on education. So forgive us if we don’t feel Starmer and his cronies should be enjoying boundless choice themselves.
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Why will nobody answer my question as to what would be an acceptable choice of education for his children?

ICouldBeVioletSky · 30/04/2025 21:53

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:49

Why will nobody answer my question as to what would be an acceptable choice of education for his children?

An average (or failing) comprehensive school. Average by London standards, which is likely to be better than much of the rest of the country.

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EasternStandard · 30/04/2025 21:55

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:42

You didn't answer my question which choice would be acceptable? None, right.

I‘m less interested in his kids than his education policies.

VAT is a poor policy regardless of where he sends his own offspring.

Although having access to £2m plus house / education is obviously a help to him.

Boohoo76 · 30/04/2025 21:58

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:49

Why will nobody answer my question as to what would be an acceptable choice of education for his children?

Couldn’t give a shit where his kids go to school as long as his Government stops implementing ideological educational policies that don’t raise any money and which have a detrimental impact on children.

Sensybil · 30/04/2025 22:24

thismummydrinksgin · 19/04/2025 21:08

But you have to see that if you can make those sacrifices and have choices to allow your children to go to private school you are in fact more well off than most people who have no choice but to send to the local comp. I understand your point but I think you’re failing to see where others are coming from. You lucky and are privileged.

So that means people who sacrifice so much to send their kids to private school shouldn't be allowed to. That we should beat everyone down to going to the local comp so only the elite ie Eton, Harrow etc should only be the ones to send their child private. Lets just drag everyone down and let the top 1 percent prosper like it was in the 1900's. Good job Labour!

Another76543 · 30/04/2025 22:31

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:42

You didn't answer my question which choice would be acceptable? None, right.

Any choice is acceptable as long as he doesn’t then lecture and penalise others for making a different choice.

CurlewKate · 30/04/2025 22:48

Which school do Starmer’s children go to?

ICouldBeVioletSky · 30/04/2025 22:56

Another76543 · 30/04/2025 22:31

Any choice is acceptable as long as he doesn’t then lecture and penalise others for making a different choice.

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…but in circumstances where he IS lecturing and IS penalising others he should lead by example (ha! the very thought of it!!). So he should not leverage his own privilege of being able to buy an expensive house in the catchment of high flying state schools and should instead send his kids somewhere that’s average at best. Because using any privilege to benefit your children’s education is wrong, isn’t it? Isn’t it….?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-donation-son-gcse-housing-acoommodation-prime-minister-b1183972.html

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for 'son to find somewhere for GCSE revision'

Keir Starmer defends his decision to take gifts from Labour peer Lord Alli

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-donation-son-gcse-housing-acoommodation-prime-minister-b1183972.html

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tortoise18 · 30/04/2025 23:09

KendricksGin · 30/04/2025 21:49

Why will nobody answer my question as to what would be an acceptable choice of education for his children?

I know the secondary that Starmer's son goes to and it's not currently a very good school. Certainly the least middle class of the local secondary options perhaps because it's academically/behaviourally the worst of the local secondary options.

I don't know what that article was on about... perhaps the primary his kids went to, which is outstanding, but what was he supposed to do? Move to a different catchment?

tortoise18 · 30/04/2025 23:18

PS that reply was supposed to be to @ICouldBeVioletSky

IwasDueANameChange · 30/04/2025 23:44

A family member teaches at a school where one of starmers kids goes. I won't name it here because a teen deserves privacy. It's a very average/variable london comp, has better and worse years in terms of behaviour and attainment. No its not a sink school on a council estate but its their local school and its honestly NOT some bouji school full of rich kids.

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 00:31

ICouldBeVioletSky · 30/04/2025 21:53

An average (or failing) comprehensive school. Average by London standards, which is likely to be better than much of the rest of the country.

So you criticise Starmer for restricting children’s educational options but have no qualms about restricting Starmer’s children’s options just because of who their father is. That’s a bit contradictory.

CurlewKate · 01/05/2025 00:56

Are people suggesting that Starmer should move from the house he has lived in for over 20 years? That he bought before he had children?

CurlewKate · 01/05/2025 00:57

Hang on-sell his house and move out of London?

CatkinToadflax · 01/05/2025 06:56

Personally I just want equal options and choices for all children, including those with all different types of SEN. And the acknowledgment that currently this is far from reality. Then families like mine wouldn’t have had to go down the private route in the first place. And I wouldn’t be funding Keir’s children’s cornflakes.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 07:20

CurlewKate · 30/04/2025 22:48

Which school do Starmer’s children go to?

Idk but I’d avoid putting it on here.

twistyizzy · 01/05/2025 07:41

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 00:31

So you criticise Starmer for restricting children’s educational options but have no qualms about restricting Starmer’s children’s options just because of who their father is. That’s a bit contradictory.

No, it's the fact that he is restricting + attacking the choice of other parents based on accusations of "privilege" and "advantage" yet refuses to acknowledge how he buys those for his own kids.

Up until this policy I didn't give a rat's ass where any politician/their kids went/go to school however Labour are actively reducing parental choice, destroying a sector of education. We therefore have every right to question and challenge their own behaviour/motivation etc.

It is downright hypocrisy, sadly a running theme with Labour it seems!

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