The councils need to find spaces for all children!!

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https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/surrey-runs-out-of-state-school-places-for-private-pupils-as-vat-raid-bites/?amp

I am relieved to see that the Surrey is also looking at options to expand class sizes and use transportation to take children to other areas. They really need to get their act together quickly.

all children has a right to state education.

Because they want to get rid of private schools??

Course you did.

VAT threads are like Groundhog Day. Will it stop after January - please! It’s done, pay or don’t pay.

No, it won't stop in January. The completely predictable consequences are just starting to play out, and will escalate for several years to come. We're certainly not going to let Labour just sweep it all under the carpet. Did you really think we would?

You could always choose not to open the threads.

Tax on immigration? Why not have people pay GOV.UK instead of people smugglers? And find & fund own accomodation?

People obviously paying many thousands to smugglers.

The privileged don't like it when you take away their privilege.

Youve given up work so that you don’t have to pay vat on the school fee….this just hasn’t happened has it?

Most parents won't react to this by choosing to home-school. Presumably @TheSillyGoose had previously considered home schooling (as many families do) but had decided on balance that although she liked the idea, private school was a better option.

And then VAT changed the balance (by increasing the overall cost of private education, and reducing her goodwill towards the state) and now she's made a different choice. Because that's what she thinks is best for her family now.

Unfortunately as @twistyizzy says, the negative consequences of her new choice for the UK are high. But whilst I'm sure @TheSillyGoose has considered that - doctors generally have a strong sense of responsibility - her choice needs to be made for her family. And see above about reduced goodwill.

That's what some people don't seem to understand. Everyone has their own aims and preferences and they weigh up their options against their own preferences all the time. Seemingly small external changes can tip that balance and change behaviour - making a better choice (from their current options) for that family, but a worse outcome for the UK.

@RosieLeaf no difference atall such a waste of time and destroying kids lives for nothing

People who are able to think beyond tribal politics don't like stupid policies which make their lives worse whilst benefitting noone.

I don't count the enjoyment of schadenfreude by self-righteous fools as a benefit which is worth someone else working to earn money and hand it over to the government to burn.

If you want to warm yourself with unthinking self-congratulation, burn your own money to do it.

How is it destroying kids lives?

I thought you said you'd read the previous threads?

I didn't say that. I just don't think that moving schools, which will only happen in the minority of cases as most private school parents will be able to absorb the costs, is the same as destroying kids lives.

My DC's life certainly won't be destroyed, btw. And as a pp has said, this makes me more sure of my choice to keep her at private school than ever.

But I'm capable of understanding different situations and having empathy. Unlike you, it seems.

So how would you react if the government told you to pay an additional 20% tax on your mortgage just because you were privileged enough to have a mortgage, in order to fund state social housing? Because it is the same principle ie someone has got what others haven't therefore they are fair game to be taxed.

Using the word privilege us interesting because it has been bandied around so much that it loses meaning. Everyone who can afford to eat tonight is privileged so therefore should we tax them more so that more money can go to food banks? Because that's the logical conclusion if you base privilege as the definition of deserving to be taxed additionally to the tax already paid through income tax.

I don't entirely disagree with you, it's an interesting point.
However that doesn't negate the fact that private schools are a luxury and should be taxed as such.

@MrsSchrute you seriously don’t think by implementing a policy to price people out of a choice resulting in a disruption to children is destroying lives ? How would your children feel if mid year they had to move schools thankgod my son is out of education. He had a bursary he was lucky I could not of paid 50% more which is what it would have been as bursaries are being withdrawn. How people cannot see by implementing this ill thought out policy it’s going to be worse for all children every single one and then let’s see about the grammars because that’s where these clowns are coming for next

@MrsSchrute a luxury really ? So is owning your own home so is eating in a restaurant and so on

I seriously don't think that moving school is the same as destroying lives, no. Children move schools all the time, for any number of reasons. Their lives aren't destroyed as a result.

I agree, and restaurants charge VAT. As they should.

Education is not a luxury. It’s a basic essential. if you want to tax stuff you perceive private schools provide that are luxuries like horse stuff etc then fine. But back in the real world, I’ve put my sen ds right through private school. He’s never been horse riding or skiing or any of the stereotypical stuff people think private schools do. He’s received an education that was adequate and with class sizes such that he was able to get the help he needed. Our family holiday this year was a day trip to Wales. We don’t live in a million pound house (like Starmer). Whilst my ds is now adult, there are thousands of people like me getting fucked hard by the assault on private schools. It’s an appalling policy made by people who know absolutely nothing about what currently goes on in private schools. Teachers having breakdowns, massive staff turnover, loads of missed lessons etc. The school he went to won’t close. It will adapt by expanding its international cohort.

@MrsSchrute we agree to disagree let’s see how it pans out. All I am aware of is anyone who has the ability to leave this country is leaving and the prep schools I’ve been visiting are really struggling not the high profile ones but the ones that don’t have internationals or boarding facilities l. Why can’t people see it’s going to put immense pressure on state schools that can’t cope as it is surely would have been better to raise state schools then implement it. It’s such a mess

But if you choose not to eat at a restaurant, the government doesn't pay for your dinner at home instead.

That's the difference.

Charging VAT (reducing some citizens standard of living) only for the government to actually end up with less money to spend on everyone else is quite simply stupid, isn't it?

Wonder what Labour will do with all this extra money

Unnecessary

@suburburban they wont be any extra money