The councils need to find spaces for all children!!

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I am relieved to see that the Surrey is also looking at options to expand class sizes and use transportation to take children to other areas. They really need to get their act together quickly.

all children has a right to state education.

By everyone but BP + Labour

Which I think essentially means the councils will end up forcing local schools to take these children as they cannot afford the transport and then some people are going to complain about huge class sizes etc. Which again was known all along to be a risk.

Remember Emily Thornberry admitted that they knew class sizes would rise as a result, and they were happy with this. Her admitting this publicly cost her a cabinet post.

But then you would have a situation where private school DC will be in classes more double the size of what they are used to. Will parents be happy with that?

Ex private school parents will simply use tutors to make up for large class sizes. They will be priced out of private education but not tutoring.

No-one should be happy with that but that's the situation Labour are creating.
Indy parents will pay for 1-2-1 tutors to plug the gaps

Good news for the tutors then. One sector will get a boost.

That's your take away?
Never mind the kids who can't afford tutors, kids turfed out mid year of schools they are settled in, kids in classes of 34+, LAs having to pay £££ in transport, kids in GCSE + A-level years having no state schools to transfer to etc. Just "oh well good business for tutors"?

The problem is the tutoring industry is increasingly international so there won’t necessarily be a boost to the UK economy. Since Covid, a lot of tutoring is online and it is really easy for businesses to set up in jurisdictions with cheaper “tutoring” labour like India.

The state school DC will cope fine with the larger classes. They are used to big classes. The private ones may struggle but their parents will have lots of spare money to top up with tutoring as they will be saving so much on school fees.

Being fine doesn't = adequate in my book.
Are we aiming for just fine? This is why we have a teacher recruitment and retention issue.

Fine is not better, which is what bitter Bridget says it will be.

Nothing will be better.

Doubt they are really bothered though, they don’t want make the main better, they just want to get rid of those who are performing well to get rid of the difference.

Do you think there are not children performing well in the state sector? There are plenty who do and go on to top universities afterwards. It's clever marketing by those charitable schools who say otherwise.

Noone ever said there weren't!
However they often do it despite the system, not because of it. No indy school I know of says that state schools don't get good results.
The problem is that it is a postcode lottery. In the NE state schools get lowest % of kids with GCSE pass grades in the whole of UK (alongside the Midlands). So of you live in an area with good state schools then that's great, not all of us do!

Some of us in state schools with SEN children are absolutely fuming about this insanity from Labour.

My child doesn't do well in large classes, and has enough issues getting what little there is available in terms of SEN support. Last thing I need is a whole load of new kids showing up mid-year who need to be caught up to different exam boards or who also have SEN but are used to far better provision than state can provide.

So we are all getting screwed. Parents and kids in both sectors.

Every single child I know in state who got strings of 8s and 9s last year at GCSE had extensive tutoring (as did a lot who didn't get stellar grades).

I know this because they've been sending me the tutors details on the quiet for my own child. I have been shocked at how extensive it is - and this is multiple schools and across England.

I know plenty who got those grades without any tutoring. Mine for example.

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Yes this stupid policy isn't helping dc in state schools

Even less support to go round

No they are not

Well they are the exception then.

I'm glad yours obviously sailed through, but consider how very privileged you are. Academic non SEN children, state schools that can get them a string of top grades with no need for tutors - a lot of us have far harder school journeys... both state and private.

Unless they are moving at a key juncture, they are very likely to be relinquishing their chance to get into a good state school. They miss the boat if they opt for private, then switch back and end up with something far less suitable than that which they were offered in the first place. It is obvious.

Yes that's true

Have you considered that a lot of those children switching back will be those whose parents could least afford the fees in the first place, and a lot will be those SEN children who are in private school having been massively failed in the state system.

Parents give up places at state schools because their children are failing to thrive there.

And I suspect there will be a lot of FAP happening once councils start working out how much they're going to have to spend paying transport costs.

I wasn't talking about SEN. That is only one segment.

You might not be talking about it, but it will be a very high percentage of those children who will be going back into state.

We're not talking about those with EHCPs or in special schools, we're talking about those with dyslexia, ADHD, ASD, chronic anxiety, those DME children who fall under the radar.

State SEN is collapsing under the pressure already.