STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS #2

[zzooey]

The steiner waldorf thread ran to a halt because apparently a 1000 messages are a maximum. Let's continue here!!

I think most people can easily deduce what is rubbish on these discusions bee- it's not hard when you're participating.

So- none of those points in the list are true then?
Can you specifically say which ones are rubbish?

Reading them again, it seems they all hold water in relation to anthroposophy.

Stop linking bee- no one can be bothered to read it- why not discuss like everyone else?
Too much effort to use your brain ?

thebee you said

"I haven't had time to set up a commenting page on that yet. Will see when I find the time."#

But you have plenty of time to satalk mothers around the net haven't you?
And plenty of time to post on here.

Bye! Get writing. Can't wait.

just for bee

"Too much effort to use your brain ?"

It it to you ;-), listing and basing your argumentation on all the quotes from the WC-context?

"For some comments on the specific page that Zooey links to, see here. (I wrote parts of that page.)"

LOL, looks like I got thebee to try honesty for about 5 minutes. Then in the very next post he slips back to "See these comments . . ." without acknowledging the source.

Essentially every source thebee links to here is his own contrivance, with rare exception.

Northern asks thebee why he has been putting her first name in front of her handle.

Mr. Nordwall, don't you care if her children are ostracized by their former friends, teachers, and schoolmates?

Does this not strike you as a different situation than your own, childless situation, where you only care to protect the reputation of a school, at the expense of actual, real-live children?

"39 Waldorf-years among his children collectively"

by which I mean, he has 3 children who have or will have spent 15 years apiece in a Waldorf school (grades 1-12 plus 3 years preschool/nursery) . . . so actually it's nearly 45 years. Between 'em they've spent nearly a half-century in Waldorf. The man knows whereof he speaks.

Diana you wrote to the bee

" THAT IS YOUR WEBSITE. That is what you need to acknowledge to be honest. We know you didn't write every word there personally, it's you and two lovely ladies Deborah Kahn and Linda Clemens, but IT'S YOUR WEB SITE and it's the web site of an organization that YOU ARE A FOUNDING MEMBER OF"
That's so isn't it bee?

So why do you try to pretend it's got many other views than your own?

To make it look better than it is?
To make out it's something other than just yours.
It's all your website

Yeah- I hope Pete comes on and tells his personal story too. there are so many people with horror stories to tell about Steiner waldorf aren't there?

Are you going to answer my question?
Are you stalking me around thebee?

You keep avoiding questions.
What can be deduced from that I wonder?

"Zooey, what you quote above is commented on in detail here. Maybe you missed that."

Eh, no, I've not missed your web sites. I've seen them too many times.

I still think Debra's right, and you're wrong. That's quite possible, you see.

Btw you're right that a christian web site doesn't bring the most neutral perspective. However, you can often count on cults to recognize other cults...

"So why do you try to pretend it's got many other views than your own?"

His imaginary friends and personas agree with him?

thebee you said
"Anthroposophy is the reason there today exist some 1,000 Waldorf schools and some 1,600 Waldorf kindergarten world wide. Without anthroposophy and Rudolf Steiner there would exist no Waldorf schools."

Yup- anthroposophy, without it no schools, no biodynamic agriculture, no camphill communities, no anthroposohical medicine.
It is insiduoous.

And are you told about this anthroposohy tho bee when you take your small and vulnerable children to the schools inorder to place your kids in their care?

No- because the teachers are trained to hide it.

Why?

Because the sole purpose of the education is to guide the children's souls to reincarnate towards a time when supernatural spiritual beings will manifest themselves.
The education is suppose to lead towards the right training, to empower the children's souls, and help develop clairvoyant powers in order to communicate with the spirit world.

Teachers are trained to direct the children's attention away from the real apparent world towards concealed levels of truth.

Is this a good description of anthroposophy thebee?

This is a transcript of what a trained Steiner teacher says, so it must be right.

And here's some of the teacher training reading list for year one- all by Rudolf Steiner (my bold)

Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and its Attainment

Occult Science

The Spiritual Hierarchies

Spiritual Guidance of Man

Christianity as Mystical Fact,

Education of the Child in the Light of

Spiritual Science

Manifestations of Karma Reincarnation and Karma*

Karmic Relationships, Volumes 1-8

Theosophy*

Calendar of the Soul

Looks like the reading list of some religious orientated cult doesn't it bee?

With regard to events like the Advent Spiral, again, it's hard to know what you're NOT being told because they give you JUST enough information to satisfy the curiosity of a busy parent. For example, in my children's Steiner School we were told it was a festival to create a sense of quiet and reverence to mark the period of advent and prepare for Christmas.

xxxxx/Northernrefugee39:

"Teachers are trained to direct the children's attention away from the real apparent world towards concealed levels of truth"

Paranoid rubbish.

Typical Waldorf curriculum

PeteK:

"Unfortunately, now I'm having to babysit this thread the way I had to babysit Wikipedia to ensure lies about me aren't spread."

No need to. If nobody else comments on you, I won't do it any more either.

Best wishes,

Sorry, Pete, partly my fault for allowing you to be dragged into the discussion here.

Maybe you could just wish Mr. Bee farewell with warm wishes

Pete,

I've moved the page on some of your activities at Wikipedia that I've mentioned earlier, to disable access to it.

Good luck with everything.

Bee wrote:

"Pete,

I've moved the page on some of your activities at Wikipedia that I've mentioned earlier, to disable access to it."

LOL - moved it, not deleted it . . .

I've moved the online file back to my home computer.

• Another general overview of a typical grade 1-8 Waldorf curriculum.

• Articles on or related to Waldorf education.

• Overview over a Waldorf High School curriculum.

Pete:

"Every time I think of you slaving over Wikipedia day in and day out I laugh my ass off."

I only look at Wikipedia at times in between.

"Maybe you could just wish Mr. Bee farewell with warm wishes "

And skip Kamaloca?

BTW, I want to clarify that I believe critics - ALL critics - do not harm Waldorf but instead do Waldorf a tremendous service.

Anybody want to bet we suddenly get an influx of Waldorf supporters here?