STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS #2

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The steiner waldorf thread ran to a halt because apparently a 1000 messages are a maximum. Let's continue here!!

I'm pretty sure you just made that one up, Isenhart

"I'm pretty sure you just made that one up, Isenhart "

Nahhhh, I've actually heard this argument. If I made it up, I would have said, "One person's rotten core is another person's apple tree."

Isenhart - there's something about your posting style which is reminding me of TheBee. Do you know each other?

Isenhart are you an anthroposophist? I'm interested , because you never seem to address the posts about the anthroposophbic core, you sort of brush past them and don't acknowledge them, very anthroposophically if I may say so
There... but ... oh so not there

Can apple trees grow from rotten cores? Perhaps they can, the rottenness provides the compost. Anthropososhical compost producing little spiritual apples. Cute. Not.

"Isenhart - there's something about your posting style which is reminding me of TheBee. Do you know each other?"

Janni,

You mean the 58 or 60 year old man with no children who pretended to be a Mum to get on this list in order to stalk northernrefugee39 around the internet?

I have been aware of TheBee and his work on the internet for many years but have personally vowed never to speak to him.

Do you think he does the "image" of Steiner waldorf more harm than good then? (smile)
Two Mums from a mothering site in the US are affiliated to Americans for Waldorf education- their names are on the website; and whenever anyone asks a question on this mothering forum, they pop up, and pretend to be regular parents, when in fact they wrote this website with thebee. One of his many websites.And he ahas apparently bought other web names to block people who may write something trthful about it.
He's very desperate to propogate the Steiner myth; as are those affiliated to him.

"Isenhart are you an anthroposophist?"

Depends on what you mean by anthroposophist. So, northernrefugee39, are you a killer?

"Can apple trees grow from rotten cores?"

Yes, indeed they can as many roadside apple trees attest.

I love the way no one will ever say they are an anthroposophist on here!

Isenhart, I'll write your next post for you to save you some time:

'I love the way no one will ever say they are an anthroposophist on here!'

Janni, what you do meant when you say you love it?

And on and on ad infinitum

This thread is certainly making me want to kill something.

Do you think he does the "image" of Steiner waldorf more harm than good then? (smile)

I think attempts at explaining what anthroposophy is and that it underlies the curriculum in a Waldorf School to prospective parents is a good thing. I know of several schools that link to this FAQ sheet and I think that this information is better than no information.

Two Mums from a mothering site in the US are affiliated to Americans for Waldorf education- their names are on the website; and whenever anyone asks a question on this mothering forum, they pop up, and pretend to be regular parents, when in fact they wrote this website with thebee.

Well, it's quite possible that I'm not a "regular" parent either whatever that means-abnormal, irregular? One of the people acknowledged in TheBee associated FAQ page has actually been an overnight guest in my home. I wasn't aware of his association with TheBee when he stayed with us, though.

"One of his many websites.And he ahas apparently bought other web names to block people who may write something trthful about it. He's very desperate to propogate the Steiner myth; as are those affiliated to him."

Sounds incredibly phlegmatic to me.

I love the way no one will ever say they are an anthroposophist on here!

Isenhart, I'll write your next post for you to save you some time:

'I love the way no one will ever say they are an anthroposophist on here!'

Janni, what you do meant when you say you love it?

Thanks, Janni, but being a mom like you I certainly know what love is.

Northern/Barking

I'm losing the will to live

Just popping in here briefly guys but be forewarned - Isenhart has a long, long, long history of playing games like this. She is not serious. The first time I interacted with her, she had me going quite awhile, too, thinking I was having a real conversation like one human being to another before I figured out it was all a game to her. Yes, all the little word games and mind games are quite anthroposophical. Since she isn't going to speak for herself, I'll fill you in - yes, she is an anthroposophist and a very involved and committed one.

"Depends on what you mean by anthroposophist. So, northernrefugee39, are you a killer?"

What? crikey! What on earth is that meant to mean? No, I'm not a killer. I'm a vegetarian, I even rescue spiders . Anything less like a killer than me So "depends what you mean by killer" isn't my response, no.
So, to pick up where we left off, are you an anthroposophist? Why don't you tell us waht you would mean by anthroposophist, since you apparently seem to know about it?

Thanks Diana for filling us in, I had my suspicions.. it isn't like interacting with a real human atall, and now it makes sense.

Janni, yep, me too. Losing it rapidly.
It takes me back to all those quizzical, innocent looks, throwing back in your face the genuine questions... arrgh...the complacent little smirks...the superiority wrapped up in the guise of a sort of fake humility euk.

So has anyone ever admitted to being an anthroposophist? I don't see why you shouldn't admit to it if you actually believe it's true..........I think it's better to be honest (even if some people will think you're weird /mad than to lie about it), I don't get it
And btw, as neither a pro or anti Steiner person I would deffo say that thebee does the image of steiner a lot of harm.

"I think it's better to be honest (even if some people will think you're weird /mad than to lie about it), I don't get it"

Anthroposophists pretending to be mainstream people is camouflage ... it's intended to fool people. But, as we have seen, like all camouflage, it's detectable to the discerning eye. Donning this mainstream camouflage, Anthros interact with us as if there is absolutely nothing peculiar about Waldorf/Anthro behavior. This works in environments that are Anthro-heavy, Waldorf for example. The Anthrouflage that many enthusiastic Waldorf parents wear starts to reveal itself when prospective parents ask "Are you an Anthroposophist?"

Anthrouflage does work well in environments that are mainstream heavy, Mothering.com for example. The thing is, as with any good camouflage, to see Anthrouflage, you have to look closely. Sometimes, it takes a while for new parents, excited about Waldorf, to actually look closely. That's what the Anthros are counting on. They'll happily take your $10,000 a year for three years while you are discovering what Waldorf is. And if it takes you six years, all the better. Anthrouflage works! That's why they do it.

"What? crikey! What on earth is that meant to mean? No, I'm not a killer. I'm a vegetarian, I even rescue spiders . Anything less like a killer than me So "depends what you mean by killer" isn't my response, no."

So your response is no, you're not a killer because you're a vegitarian and you display kindness to spiders. So I could say no I'm not an anthroposophist because I don't now, nor have I ever, nor do I plan to, in the future belong to the Anthroposophical Society, nor do I now, nor have I ever, nor do I plan to, in the future, attend First Class.

"So, to pick up where we left off, are you an anthroposophist?"

I am objectively an anthroposophist and you are objectively a killer whether you consider yourself one or not.

"Why don't you tell us waht you would mean by anthroposophist, since you apparently seem to know about it?"

I consider myself essentially to be a human being and I have feelings just like you do. I do not appreciate being called names, being spoken of in the third person, or the repeated insinuation that I am not a human being.

Oh heavens to Betsy is this thread still going?

Please direct me immediately to a link with Steiner propaganda

Especially for Eastergreenwood and Isenhart

Its Esther but thank you.
I think the orange shawl/tie dye dress combination is ill advised TBH.

Sorry Isenhart, I had a similar experience on Mothering.com. I was ganged up against and talked about in the third person; it's not pleasant atall. (I won't be going back to mothering.com because it's not the kind of envioronment I like. And the conversation is terribly boring too)

Pete, you are absolutely right, the pretence is everthing, even to the extent of self delusion on a massive scale, just like all cult followers.

I still don't understand your posts tho' Isenhart -I am not an objective killer- what a strange thing to say. It also has no correllation or relevence as to whether you are an anthroposophist- not signed up to the anthro society or attending first class. What then is your definition of an anthroposophist? Perhaps you can start there. Do you believe in spiritualality as a science?

Knitting as a way of life...

Isenhart - Despite a six year involvement with Steiner education I simply do not understand many of your posts and that is really frustrating.

So Northern is 'objectively' a killer and you are 'objectively' an anthroposophist.
How does that work?
What does 'First Class' mean here?

First Class is the Anthroposophical Society's upper echelon. They are privy to the writings of Steiner that are too secret for the general Anthroposophists. Considering how much wacky stuff is out there in Steiner's public works, I can only imagine what he considered too sensitive to keep secret - except among the Anthro-elite. And is the First Class harboring some secret that might change the minds of others who have embraced Anthroposophy? [hmmm] Are elite Anthros pulling the wool over the eyes of the lesser Anthros? The irony would be fantastic...

By the way... is anyone still wondering what it's like not to be able to get a straight answer to a simple, direct question?

Are elite Anthros pulling the wool over the eyes of the lesser Anthros? The irony would be fantastic...

Oh fab Pete veils behind veils.....