STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS #2

[zzooey]

The steiner waldorf thread ran to a halt because apparently a 1000 messages are a maximum. Let's continue here!!

knitting as a way of life
Is she 'ready' to wear so much orange.......?

Loved the meaningful holding and tossing of hair

Farawaysomewhere:

"... I know people who use this chatboard, who also know my kids. I don't want my kids friendships, families they see, the school they used to go to brought into this. They are young kids !!!"

According to Google, some 26,000,000 pages on the net mention what you have as your first name. Most of them probably are English language sites. Numerous mothers at Waldorf schools probably have the same first name as you. Yet you think those who use this chat board and who also know your kids would identify one of those numerous same-first-name-as-you-mothers with specifically you.

Why do you use your full name on the WC-list (that I read in between to check up what's new in WC-land) and tell there that you post here?

If you care about your kids, stop using your first or full name on the net as you have done, and ask the admin of the WC-list to delete your name from all postings there, and from the archives of the list at the WC-site, and the owner of the (maybe more than one(?) blog, where you recently have commented using your full name to delete your comment (I saw your comment by accident in passing as I at times read her blog).

TheBee

This is Mumsnet. On Mumsnet we use pseudonyms, not use our real names. Practices on other sites are a complete irrelevance.

An apology is in order.

Fucking hell.

Thebee you are an appalling 'spokesperson' for Anthroposophy and Steiner education.

Zooey to me:

"You could just be nice"

You mean like you and all other WCs are to me from dusk till dawn seven days a week here at MN?

stripeymama:

"Thebee you are an appalling 'spokesperson' for Anthroposophy and Steiner education"

I am "spokesperson" for nobody else but myself.

"You mean like you and all other WCs are to me from dusk till dawn seven days a week here at MN?"

So what you're doing is getting back at Northern, who asks you for one very little favour, because some of us are not as nice as you'd like? You get back at Northern because something I do? Is that moral? Also, she's asked you for a very specific thing in order to protect her children. I really don't see why that's so hard for you to respect.

Zooey:

"So what you're doing is getting back at Northern, who asks you for one very little favour, because some of us are not as nice as you'd like?"

You think Farawaysomewhere at any time has been less than obsessively hysterical in addressing me?

And Farawaysomewhere is a WC since long

Eh? You think it's a good thing to get back at Northern for something you perceive Faraway did?

I must say I don't think anyone has been "obsessively hysterical" towards you. And if anyone had been, how to you think rectifying the wrongs, by using a name you've been asked not to use, would work? Is that the best you could do? Is it because you can't discuss the actual waldorf-related questions that have been raised in this thread?

"And Farawaysomewhere is a WC since long"

Well, that's very clever of you to figure out. I have no idea if s/he is, or who s/he is on that list.

Moreover, it doesn't matter, and I don't care. This discussion is here, not on WC.

Zooey:

"Is it because you can't discuss the actual waldorf-related questions that have been raised in this thread?"

You mean my not answering your obsession with Michaelmas?

Zooey on Farawaysomewhere/Northernrefugee39:

"I have no idea if s/he is, or who s/he is on that [WC] list."

Right.

Yes, right, I have no idea. That's the truth. If I'm correct, Faraway hasn't written that many posts on this thread. I can't remember what s/he said to you.

Questions and the discussion - we've discussed many things, among them Michaelmass. You have not really discussed anything at all. You could start with anything really. If you'd like, the Michaelmass issue. Why are anthroposophists obsessed with celebrating Michaelmass? Did it perhaps have something - or a lot - to do with Rudolf Steiner's beliefs about the age of Michael and such stuff?

Zooey:

"You have not really discussed anything at all. You could start with anything really."

I am not here to start discussions of anything or to discuss what Diana, you and other WCs for some unclear reason seem to think you can order me to discuss at your whim, telling me what to discuss, when to do it and how to do it.

In general, also almost no Waldorf parent clearly would think of engaging in any discussion with any of you in the threads, peppered by you and other WCs with thousands of postings in your anti-Waldorf diatribe here at MN since months.

I am only here to address the myths about WE, described here, here and here and other xenophobia and paranoia about WE cultivated and spread on the net since many years by the small fringe anti-Waldorf group in SF/CA that you represent and support, whose board you joined some time ago after it lost a number of its member, as I know all the paranoid myths since long.

For any improbable newcomer to this discussion:

For a description of what the WC-group cultivates its xenophobia and paranoia about, see here.

Ok, well, then we know you aren't here to discuss any of the issues that have been raised. You're only here to post links on mostly unrelated issues, because you have a hysterical obsession with the critics.

I believe it's enormously dishonest to post links to your web sites as if it were actually a link to waldorf critics or plans.

Moreover, Plans isn't a membership organization. You don't know anything about who works for Plans and who don't, or if someone chose to leave, why they did so. (I won't do anything I do now for the rest of my life - that does not mean that I won't support the cause. I hope you do realize the difference. Not everyone can stay full-time occupied by one issue for 10 or more consequtive years.)

And the S.F/CA connection is startin to look ridiculous. Are you entirely immune to facts?

Grrr... is there an edit button on this site?... I meant "THERE".

Easeonline:

"You mean my not answering your obsession with Michaelmas?'

And there we have it all."

Maybe you did not notice the link to the extensive answer I wrote to the question. [Explanation]My description of this as "not answering" was an irony.[/Explanation]

Zooey:

"You don't know anything about who works for Plans and who don't,"

The board members of the WC are named at its site.

Thebee
"Maybe you did not notice the link to the extensive answer I wrote to the question. [Explanation]My description of this as "not answering" was an irony.[/Explanation"

I didn't see anything answering my question about why kids subject to anthroposophy (and consequently anyone else involved with them) in England, mark the dragon event in Sptember at Michaelmass, rather than in April along with the rest of England and the worldwide Scout movement, focussed on Saint George.

Will you ever offer an explanation on what the Edinburgh parents who withdrew their kids from the Steiner School misunderstood, or ar we to take it that your pontification is sufficient?

Well that's your best yet, Thebee. You say you are a spokesperson for nobody but yourself but have said absolutely NOTHING about your own experiences, your own views, your own human self.

I hope your beloved anthroposophy makes you happy.

Fine. You are an appalling spokesperson for yourself.

This is meant to be a discussion board. You fail to participate in what most people would call discussion, instead you rabbit on endlessly about names and groups and who said what and who works where - and it is not really helpful to anyone.

Why not answer the questions you are asked?

As I'm sure everyone on here knows I am a Steiner parent and ex pupil and I feel strongly that you are not doing Steiner/Waldorf/Anthroposophy any favours at all, in fact you seem to be hell bent on confirming the opinions of Steiner critics.

An honest debate on the issues raised would be refreshing and interesting - it might even mean that some others who support Steiner come along to offer their opinions. It really saddens me that you are the only poster who defends Steiner - you do not do a good job of it at all.

Just a few things for you to think about bee.

Accusing hysteria is brilliant coming from someone who, amongst numerous other things,
wanted to punch someone, wrote to Peter Staudenmaier's University to try to discredit him,
apparently sets in motion the blocking and deleting of discussions which do not tally with his cultic beliefs,
feels like "vomiting" earlier on the thread, stalks and follows mothers around from websites, to blogs to discussions.

Whereas people whose children have been traumatised at Steiner school,
whose teachers have dragged children accross the room,
children have been physically removed by two large men from class
where children were wounded physically on a day to day basis by bullying- bruised and bleeding, and teachers ignore it
where children are apparently singled out because they have darker coloured roots,
where teachers are so hysterical, they shout continually at the children they are meant to be teaching
where parents from the anthroposophical community inflict harshand anti deluvian punishments on their children, like washing out mouths with soap, shutting in larder, eating bread and water

Who is reacting as a normal caring human being, and who is hysterically defending their cult?

What is this farawaysomewhere name?
What on earth are you talking about?
I have no idea what this means.