STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

[theantignome]

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

Sune wrote to Lush in reference to me: "I very much doubt she asks you because she interested in who you are, as she does not tell what she actually means with her question, when you ask her about it."

What I actually mean by my question, "Are you an Anthropsophist?" is "Are you an Anthroposophist?" I ask because I am interested in knowing if Lush is an Anthroposophist. I don't think I can make it much clearer than that.

Sune wrote: "What is an "anthroposophist" or "American" or "teacher" or "mother". We are all primarily humans..."

Not according to your guru, Rudolf Steiner. He taught his followers that some learning disabled children are demons in human form.

"Diana, why were PLANS there distibuting leaflets when the allegation was made?
And, why did the sacbee post the above then?
Surely the spokesperson for PLANS would have detached themselves....surely?!

I particulary love this bit...
..PLANS officials could not be reached for comment....WHY COULDN'T YOU LOT SPEAK????
dwb.sacbee.com/content/links/story/12266380p-13130448c.html...

Yet several of you can all be reached on any anti steiner forums...mumsnet, mothering, waldorfcritics, et al? Hmmmm!"

Lush, I wish you were a person I could effectively communicate with, but your skills at making yourself understood are very poor, and I really have no idea what your questions mean. Why was PLANS distributing a leaflet when the allegation was made? What do you mean? Ask a question that has some meaning or sense to it and I'll try to answer. PLANS was distributing leaflets, I assume (it was years before I knew any of these people), because the wanted to protest the conversion of the school to Waldorf. The leaflets don't say anything about witchcraft. If someone else made that allegation, it was not PLANS. As I said, my understanding is that it was parents at the school. Actually, if I'm recalling correctly, it was actually a teacher at the school who was either Catholic or maybe a born again Christian. Dan Dugan doesn't call anyone a witch, he's an atheist and doesn't believe there's such a thing as a witch.

PLANS officials could not be reached - I don't know, Lush, as I wasn't there. (Despite your silly insinuations, at that time I was a Waldorf parent. One gets the feeling from the sly and goofy things you imply that you've probably been fed some of your ideas by Sune Nordwall. Just a heads up - he gets confused very easily.) I wasn't protesting anything. PLANS at that time was Dan Dugan and Debra Snell. Maybe they couldn't be reached because they weren't home? This was pre-cell phone. There was a waldorf critics mailing list, but a reporter probably wouldn't in those days have thought to contact anyone that way.

Sune:

"Don't answer Powerofjoy until you know what she actually means with her question, lush007."

Ah yes, the helpful off-list coaching from the wise, kindly and caring elderly gentleman. Lush . . . get a clue.

I personally feel more inclined to 'attack' (i.e. criticize) anthroposophists who, when engaged in a discussion on the topic, can't or won't give a yes/no-answer to the question about whether they are anthroposophists, than I feel towards those who have the guts to be straightforward about it.

It seems, though, that anthroposophists are very reluctant to identify themselves as anthroposophists. It's as if it was embarassing or as if they simply can't process uncomplicated questions. I don't knwo which is most true.

Sune wrote: "The degrees do not interest Powerofjoy2004, judging from her polemical discussion with you on the issue. She just wants to put a stamp on you that she can polemize against."

I think I have been straightforward in my requests to Lush for an answer to the question: "Are you an Anthroposophist?" Please quote some examples of my alleged polemics regarding this issue.

It is relevant in any discussion in which someone is vigorously supporting a movement for everyone to know if that person is a member of the movement. There's nothing mysterious about the question. Reluctance to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer does raise questions, though.

"What is an "anthroposophist" or "American" or "teacher" or "mother". We are all primarily humans, and only in a second, third, fourth, fifth sense to different degress and in different senses something else."

That's why you're busy changing aliases, characters and temperaments like a chameleon, I assume.

LOL, oh, maybe that's his problem, he isn't settled in his temperament yet.

Zooey you said

"For the "integrity and conscience" and quite an impressive amount of libel of Sune himself,"

Why is that that eva/sune feels he is able to continually post mistruths , and to his sites , which are nothing but smoke screens,, and then come back, holier than thou with self righteous bollocks about other people.
Is it that you are completely deluded sune, and really believe in your own sactamonious
falsities, or are you set ondeceoption?

Hello Barking!

You're moving? Somewhere nice?
Hope it's going ok?

" i am wondering whether one would have a legal case in saying quite justifiably that i and other parents here in the UK have been shamefully deceived.

i don't know, i don't know enough about litigation, i think i will check it with a litigation lawyer, i will report back."

Anti, I think this could be a good bet.
Most people are deceived. The schools tho, get around it by aying they don't teach anthroposophy.
Look at the way lush and sune are reacting if you ask the simple question < are you and anthroposophist?>
Why react like that?
Can't they just answer the question?
What are you afraid of and hiding?

"here the steiner-istas teach german and spanish."

Anti, they strangely enough do teach French- our shool didFrench. Perhap it was because it was the only other language the teacher could do?
There is a dire shortage of teachers for steiner schools.
Strange.
Can't think why that might be.

Zooey and Anti, LOVE the cars from above and living in a flat! HA HA

Preggy, it's certainly strange,that goes with the territory - Steiner; but not bitter.
If you can't stand the heat...

Well eva and lush err on the side of bitter sometimes...

"why do you all keep quoting nad gettign cross?"

lush, do you think this is aimed at you?

lush, you're not in a discussion, you're in a quoting sea of denial.

"What is an "anthroposophist" or "American" or "teacher" or "mother". We are all primarily humans, and only in a second, third, fourth, fifth sense to different degress and in different senses something else"

Crikey Sune , you've gone all Warner Brothers.... I can hear the final credits rolling.....

The difference being of course, that anthroposophists believe "humans" evolved as jellies on the moon, then somehow got to ther legendary island of Atlantis (how DID that happen, Rudi didn't go into detail, do you know Sun?) where the stroncest aryan race eveloved, along with the weaker races.

Peoples definition of human is varies somewhat.

you said"! why do you keep on quoting each otehr"
i did
cos oyu do
why dont you al agree to diagree?

are you a Catholic ? are you a Muslim ? are you a Jew ?

i have friends from all three faiths, none have ever done a round the world trip in 2000 years like lush to answer a simple "yes" or "no"

as for eva/sune - "we are all humans" well, actually no, RUDOLF said that some people are sub-human, sub-races, demons even in human form.

now how do you fancy that lable being put on you, mate ?

if you really believe that we are all human, WHY are you an anthro ? surley, anthro-ism in the last thing you would go for if you were a humanist.

and of course some of us are just faceless gnomes....

cod - because it is much more fun to debate than to just cop out and say, well let's agree to disagree.

most of us here also believe that if we had been adequately warned about what goes on in a steiner school, we would never have touched them with a barge pole, see ?

it needs to be a public debate.

by the way, preggers, lush, anyone else pro-steiner, i am more than happy if you start an I LOVE RUDOLF thread here on mumsnet or elsewhere. i will come and join in, so why don't you start a new thread instead of complaining about the ones i have started ?

but you all just qoute angrily at each other and get all picky.

It was the nargles.

e.g

" well i am sorry ic alled a kindergarten a nursery but in gernamny they are called kindergartens"

then you all fold ou arms and purse your lips